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post Sep 7 2007, 10:00 AM
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I looked back and could not find a thread on it.
If I over looked it...SORRY.

http://www.ufoarea.com/lloyd_dropa.html

I do not know how many of you are aware of this story.
But I first read of it in the 70s and later again in 95.
If this is true, it should be easily provable, by getting a sample from them, skin hair(if any)skeletal etc..and have it tested.

Any thoughts?
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post Sep 7 2007, 12:08 PM
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Thanx S.D. thats the first i have heard of Dropa a fascinating read i wonder were those disks are ? thanx again


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post Sep 7 2007, 01:40 PM
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I've heard about the disks, but I never put much thought to a 2 foot disk containing anything entertaining, it's a hard topic to keep up with because theres like 40 variations of how things really happend, and what/wasnt true.
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post Sep 7 2007, 04:33 PM
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veeeeeerrry interesting a great find
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post Sep 7 2007, 05:49 PM
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I LOVE the Dropa stones story!

There's only one problem ... it's completely impossible. Let me explain. I'm a historian and linguist by education. My academic hobbies are archaeology, etymology, psychology, sociology, psycholinguistics and, I don't know if there's a word for this, but the study of subconscious body language in human communication. In other words, I know a little about history and language.

Problem:
You cannot decipher a language without a key. The site says that it was alien writing that had never been encountered before. Sorry, but you can't translate that. You could use every computer on the planet and still not be able to translate it.

We deciphered Egyptian heiroglypics only because, although it contained heiroglyphics (which had not been deciphered) and demotic (which was mostly undeciphered at that time), it also contained Greek. When researchers working with other texts were able to decipher the demotic and determine it was the same as the Greek text, they were then able, using languages they knew, to decipher the heiroglyphics.

However, even today we don't know how ancient Egyptian would SOUND because Egyptian writing does not contain vowels.

That said, ancient Egyptian is still a human language and will follow language principles still in use today. After all, the language never really 'died', it simply evolved into modern languages.

Alien writing is a different matter altogether. We don't know the vocabulary, we don't know the grammatical structure and syntax of the language. We don't know the alphabet. Is it a phonetic alphabet? Is it a symbolic or heiroglyphic alphabet? It's not like they wrote it in ancient Chinese! If they had, the language would be 'virtually' impossible to decipher because we'd have to figure out the script and figure out if it was a symbolic or phonetic script, but it might be possible if you had enough geniuses and computers. However, my understanding is that this was written in a 'alien' language. Therefore, forget it. It's impossible.

I'm really sorry. I love the Dropa Stones story. However, it is simply that ... a story.


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I LOVE the Dropa stones story!

There's only one problem ... it's completely impossible. Let me explain. I'm a historian and linguist by education. My academic hobbies are archaeology, etymology, psychology, sociology, psycholinguistics and, I don't know if there's a word for this, but the study of subconscious body language in human communication. In other words, I know a little about history and language.

Problem:
You cannot decipher a language without a key. The site says that it was alien writing that had never been encountered before. Sorry, but you can't translate that. You could use every computer on the planet and still not be able to translate it.

We deciphered Egyptian heiroglypics only because, although it contained heiroglyphics (which had not been deciphered) and demotic (which was mostly undeciphered at that time), it also contained Greek. When researchers working with other texts were able to decipher the demotic and determine it was the same as the Greek text, they were then able, using languages they knew, to decipher the heiroglyphics.

However, even today we don't know how ancient Egyptian would SOUND because Egyptian writing does not contain vowels.

That said, ancient Egyptian is still a human language and will follow language principles still in use today. After all, the language never really 'died', it simply evolved into modern languages.

Alien writing is a different matter altogether. We don't know the vocabulary, we don't know the grammatical structure and syntax of the language. We don't know the alphabet. Is it a phonetic alphabet? Is it a symbolic or heiroglyphic alphabet? It's not like they wrote it in ancient Chinese! If they had, the language would be 'virtually' impossible to decipher because we'd have to figure out the script and figure out if it was a symbolic or phonetic script, but it might be possible if you had enough geniuses and computers. However, my understanding is that this was written in a 'alien' language. Therefore, forget it. It's impossible.

I'm really sorry. I love the Dropa Stones story. However, it is simply that ... a story.


I understand your point. I thought of that long ago, and I mostly agree with you.
I disagree with your thinking, that one flawed point in a story, makes a whole story false.
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post Sep 8 2007, 06:21 AM
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I understand your point. I thought of that long ago, and I mostly agree with you.
I disagree with your thinking, that one flawed point in a story, makes a whole story false.


Well, I understand, however this 'one flawed point' happens to be the point that contains the entire story of the Dropa, and without the story, what do you have?
  • We're no longer in possession of the Dropa stones.
  • The only known photos of the Dropa stones do not match the description of the stones
  • There's no evidence of the existence of the researchers or of the universities mentioned in the story
  • and while there are two tribes, living today, called the Ham and the Dropa, there is no resemblance to the stunted dwarfs in the story
I would like to add that I did some research this evening, and there are some excellent websites on this, and some very balanced websites. Many of these indicate that the stones were NOT written by the aliens but by the local people, and that the story was written from their point of view.

Again, if we know the language and can surmise something of the content, it is possible to decipher the written language. Difficult, unlikely maybe, but not impossible. So if we imagine that the original translator knew the languages of the local Ham and Dropa people, and if he knew the languages from long enough ago, then piecing together the content based on local legend, it IS possible that the stones could be deciphered.

The points above, mostly a lack of evidence, is, I'm sure somebody will tell me, NOT proof that this story isn't true. I accept that. I have no concrete proof that the story is not true. However, although I love this story and would be thrilled for it to be true, I think it isn't likely.


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post Sep 8 2007, 08:06 AM
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they are probably all in a vault along with the Roswell crash debris


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post Sep 9 2007, 08:58 AM
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one interesting thing I have noticed is that they are round with a chunk missing. Look a the ufos in the tether video they are round with a chunk missing. There is a link between the two
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post Sep 9 2007, 09:18 AM
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There is no link between the two. Any one who uses a telescope knows when you focus on an object such as a planet or star and it's out of focus it also has a "chunk" missing and a hole in the center.

The objects in the tether video are way out of focus.
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:54 PM
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Well, I understand, however this 'one flawed point' happens to be the point that contains the entire story of the Dropa, and without the story, what do you have?
  • We're no longer in possession of the Dropa stones.
  • The only known photos of the Dropa stones do not match the description of the stones
  • There's no evidence of the existence of the researchers or of the universities mentioned in the story
  • and while there are two tribes, living today, called the Ham and the Dropa, there is no resemblance to the stunted dwarfs in the story
I would like to add that I did some research this evening, and there are some excellent websites on this, and some very balanced websites. Many of these indicate that the stones were NOT written by the aliens but by the local people, and that the story was written from their point of view.

Again, if we know the language and can surmise something of the content, it is possible to decipher the written language. Difficult, unlikely maybe, but not impossible. So if we imagine that the original translator knew the languages of the local Ham and Dropa people, and if he knew the languages from long enough ago, then piecing together the content based on local legend, it IS possible that the stones could be deciphered.

The points above, mostly a lack of evidence, is, I'm sure somebody will tell me, NOT proof that this story isn't true. I accept that. I have no concrete proof that the story is not true. However, although I love this story and would be thrilled for it to be true, I think it isn't likely.


I do not believe we would need the stones.
If that area was completely combed and gone over, I would think that some evidence of a ancient crash would turn up.
Like you say without something concrete, it is just an unproven story.
I would presume though, that CHINA, if this story has truth to it, would have done that already.
Looks then, like this story is another one of those "we'll never really know for sure".
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post Sep 11 2007, 07:34 AM
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Aside from the Roswell case, this one about the Dropas is one of my favorites. When I first heard of it, I was very fascinated by it.
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