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I originally set out to write an article showing the evidence for Planet X existing, and when it might come close enough to Earth to have an enormous effect. I had seen documentaries on the Sumerians' eerie predictions and read apocalyptic articles on the trail of destruction Planet X will leave so I was ready to do the necessary research to find the facts for a gripping article.
When I started my research I quickly realised that there was a lot of misinformation coming from groups who were basing their claims on some very faulty science or very little scientific knowledge. I also found that when critically studied the ancient artefacts which predicted the return of Planet X were very much open to interpretation. I am therefore presenting an article from a sceptical point of view in the hope to give as much accurate information as possible. Planet X simply means either the tenth planet, from Roman numerals or a mystery planet; Pluto was once referred to as Planet X. It is also known as the ancient names Marduk and Nibiru, Marduk being a Sumerian god who fought with, and subsequently beat the god Tiamat, constructing the Earth from his remains. ![]() A major source of inspiration for the Planet X believers is the Berlin Seal (above). Zechariah Sitchin believes this carving on a clay tablet shows a very advanced diagram of our solar system but there is evidence to suggest that it is little more than a decoration to fill background space. To begin with the image shows the random number of eleven planets of varying sizes vaguely orbiting a star. The Sumerians are not known to have had telescopes so they could not have known about the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) that are not visible to the naked eye. Sitchin claims that the Sumerians were in contact with an alien race that gave them detailed information about the solar system and Planet X. He says that the knowledge of the extra planets came from communication with these aliens and that the Sumerians considered the Moon to be a planet, which brings the total known planets to ten. This would indeed leave on of the planets in the diagram left over to be the mystery Planet X. I do not have a problem with alien contact but there are many problems with both Sitchin's research and his claims about the Berlin Seal. If we assume aliens gave the Sumerians information about the solar system that they could not find out for themselves, then why did they not correct the Sumerians on their belief that the Moon was a planet? Also, why does the diagram not show rings around any planets, or moons, or the asteroid belt, or the fact that the planets orbit at different distances from the Sun? The fact is that the Berlin Seal does not even show a simple diagram of the solar system when the information for it supposedly came form a race that had travelled through it. For the above I have been assuming that the star in the center of the Berlin Seal picture is supposed to be the Sun. The symbol used by the Sumerians for the Sun is actually a circle with four spaced triangles around it with wavy lines in the spaces, the symbol in the diagram is akin to a Star of David with a ball in the middle or the Sumerian symbol for any bright star. Sitchin, although successful and with a large, devoted following, was not without his shortcomings. His translations of ancient texts were very inaccurate and he even managed to confuse the word for 'planet', a glaring error. It also seems that Sitchin either read too deeply into the Sumerian stories or read what he wanted to read. For example, both the words Marduk and Nibiru could have referred to the planet Jupiter in Sumerian times. Finally on Sitchin, he thinks that he found the words 'planet', 'orbit' and '3,600' together in an ancient Sumerian text. While this may be an accurate translation, a regular orbit of 3,600 years, which is how Sitchin interpreted the text, would lead Planet X to eventually break free from the gravitational pull of the Sun and leave the solar system for good, travelling off into outer space. Mark Hazelwood, a major figure in the Planet X believers community points to NASA and The Washington Post newspaper as a source of proof that Planet X exists. He is right to say that in 1983, The Washington Post reported that two NASA scientists, Neugebauer and Houck, had found a planet the size of Jupiter orbiting the Sun at a distance of two billion kilometres. This story is actually the result of a spot of creative journalism, quite apt for Planet X. The real story was that the scientists were using Infrared Astronomy Satellite (IRAS) and had found unexpected variations in the infrared images they took. In their press release they said that these variations could have been caused by anything from a new planet to distant galaxies. The Washington Post reporter obviously gave his article a romantic slant by leaving out the part about distant galaxies. After further imaging and research the anomalies were found to be local dust clouds and distant galaxies, this evidence, although striking at face value, can now be ignored. Another angle that is used by Planet X believers is the fact that it would appear that certain natural phenomena are starting to become more violent as Planet X approaches our solar system and Earth. Sun spot activity, harsh weather, seismic activity, and volcanic activity all seem to be on the rise however all of these can be explained and considered natural far more easily than they are considered evidence for an impending doomsday event. The more accurate our equipment gets, the more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions we detect. The solar activity and the weather patterns are all part of natural cycles which are not worrying scientists beyond normality. Finally I would like to address the suggestion that Planet X is actually a brown dwarf. It appears that anyone who is suggesting this hasn't researched what a brown dwarf actually is. To begin with, a brown dwarf is a failed star that did not have enough mass to sustain fusion in its core. It may not be a shining bright star but it does still emit some light, especially infrared light. If a brown dwarf were in or near the solar system it would give off enough light and reflect enough light from the sun to be seen and would certainly have been noticed by astronomers around the world. A brown dwarf is not a tiny, invisible object which could go undetected as some Planet X believers claim, and brown dwarfs are much larger than some of the estimates for Planet X that are frequently banded about. From the evidence presented above it seems obvious that Planet X is simply a myth with no basis or proof that can be relied upon. While this site is not normally about debunking theories, there is little to be gained from promoting a very unreliable case but I still look forward to a greater understanding of the Sumerian text to see if there is still something interesting and more factual to come from the Planet X mystery. -------------------- ![]() |
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Mar 10 2008, 05:01 AM
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I originally set out to write an article showing the evidence for Planet X existing, and when it might come close enough to Earth to have an enormous effect. I had seen documentaries on the Sumerians' eerie predictions and read apocalyptic articles on the trail of destruction Planet X will leave so I was ready to do the necessary research to find the facts for a gripping article. When I started my research I quickly realised that there was a lot of misinformation coming from groups who were basing their claims on some very faulty science or very little scientific knowledge. I also found that when critically studied the ancient artefacts which predicted the return of Planet X were very much open to interpretation. I am therefore presenting an article from a sceptical point of view in the hope to give as much accurate information as possible. Planet X simply means either the tenth planet, from Roman numerals or a mystery planet; Pluto was once referred to as Planet X. It is also known as the ancient names Marduk and Nibiru, Marduk being a Sumerian god who fought with, and subsequently beat the god Tiamat, constructing the Earth from his remains. <center><img src="img/planetx/berlinseal.jpg"></center> A major source of inspiration for the Planet X believers is the Berlin Seal (above). Zechariah Sitchin believes this carving on a clay tablet shows a very advanced diagram of our solar system but there is evidence to suggest that it is little more than a decoration to fill background space. To begin with the image shows the random number of eleven planets of varying sizes vaguely orbiting a star. The Sumerians are not known to have had telescopes so they could not have known about the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) that are not visible to the naked eye. Sitchin claims that the Sumerians were in contact with an alien race that gave them detailed information about the solar system and Planet X. He says that the knowledge of the extra planets came from communication with these aliens and that the Sumerians considered the Moon to be a planet, which brings the total known planets to ten. This would indeed leave on of the planets in the diagram left over to be the mystery Planet X. I do not have a problem with alien contact but there are many problems with both Sitchin's research and his claims about the Berlin Seal. If we assume aliens gave the Sumerians information about the solar system that they could not find out for themselves, then why did they not correct the Sumerians on their belief that the Moon was a planet? Also, why does the diagram not show rings around any planets, or moons, or the asteroid belt, or the fact that the planets orbit at different distances from the Sun? The fact is that the Berlin Seal does not even show a simple diagram of the solar system when the information for it supposedly came form a race that had travelled through it. For the above I have been assuming that the star in the center of the Berlin Seal picture is supposed to be the Sun. The symbol used by the Sumerians for the Sun is actually a circle with four spaced triangles around it with wavy lines in the spaces, the symbol in the diagram is akin to a Star of David with a ball in the middle or the Sumerian symbol for any bright star. Sitchin, although successful and with a large, devoted following, was not without his shortcomings. His translations of ancient texts were very inaccurate and he even managed to confuse the word for 'planet', a glaring error. It also seems that Sitchin either read too deeply into the Sumerian stories or read what he wanted to read. For example, both the words Marduk and Nibiru could have referred to the planet Jupiter in Sumerian times. Finally on Sitchin, he thinks that he found the words 'planet', 'orbit' and '3,600' together in an ancient Sumerian text. While this may be an accurate translation, a regular orbit of 3,600 years, which is how Sitchin interpreted the text, would lead Planet X to eventually break free from the gravitational pull of the Sun and leave the solar system for good, travelling off into outer space. Mark Hazelwood, a major figure in the Planet X believers community points to NASA and The Washington Post newspaper as a source of proof that Planet X exists. He is right to say that in 1983, The Washington Post reported that two NASA scientists, Neugebauer and Houck, had found a planet the size of Jupiter orbiting the Sun at a distance of two billion kilometres. This story is actually the result of a spot of creative journalism, quite apt for Planet X. The real story was that the scientists were using Infrared Astronomy Satellite (IRAS) and had found unexpected variations in the infrared images they took. In their press release they said that these variations could have been caused by anything from a new planet to distant galaxies. The Washington Post reporter obviously gave his article a romantic slant by leaving out the part about distant galaxies. After further imaging and research the anomalies were found to be local dust clouds and distant galaxies, this evidence, although striking at face value, can now be ignored. Another angle that is used by Planet X believers is the fact that it would appear that certain natural phenomena are starting to become more violent as Planet X approaches our solar system and Earth. Sun spot activity, harsh weather, seismic activity, and volcanic activity all seem to be on the rise however all of these can be explained and considered natural far more easily than they are considered evidence for an impending doomsday event. The more accurate our equipment gets, the more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions we detect. The solar activity and the weather patterns are all part of natural cycles which are not worrying scientists beyond normality. Finally I would like to address the suggestion that Planet X is actually a brown dwarf. It appears that anyone who is suggesting this hasn't researched what a brown dwarf actually is. To begin with, a brown dwarf is a failed star that did not have enough mass to sustain fusion in its core. It may not be a shining bright star but it does still emit some light, especially infrared light. If a brown dwarf were in or near the solar system it would give off enough light and reflect enough light from the sun to be seen and would certainly have been noticed by astronomers around the world. A brown dwarf is not a tiny, invisible object which could go undetected as some Planet X believers claim, and brown dwarfs are much larger than some of the estimates for Planet X that are frequently banded about. From the evidence presented above it seems obvious that Planet X is simply a myth with no basis or proof that can be relied upon. While this site is not normally about debunking theories, there is little to be gained from promoting a very unreliable case but I still look forward to a greater understanding of the Sumerian text to see if there is still something interesting and more factual to come from the Planet X mystery. Exactly how I feel . I continue researching everyday to find the pro's and con's ... |
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Mar 10 2008, 07:56 AM
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Very well explained, Cmdr. I think you did a good job of introducing a lot of ideas around this topic.
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Mar 15 2008, 11:23 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxCCtxs7Y0...feature=related
New evidence from Japan on planet x. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hKoCgEuHBw...feature=related This one shows planet x over kentucky This post has been edited by cricket: Mar 15 2008, 11:30 AM -------------------- Whoever said anything was possible, obviouly never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Mar 15 2008, 11:52 AM
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Okay, whoever took the pictures in video two hasn't even the faintest clue on photography.... (Or he's testing the gullibility of YouTube)
Go outside and aim a camera at the sun, you will most likely get a lens flare; this is what he's claiming is Nibiru This post has been edited by Xeno: Mar 15 2008, 11:53 AM |
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Mar 15 2008, 01:01 PM
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Nothing to say about the first one? I found that one to be the most interesting.
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Mar 15 2008, 01:20 PM
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I have to admit I have only been researching 2012 about a year. I have read and reread some things and some reread more then twice. I understand that every one has there opinion just as I have mine. But I have never seen so many people pushing against people who do and do not believe this event is going to take place.I dont know if a planet x is going to pass by earth or not, but I do feel something big is going to flip this planet on its ears. People need to be prepared for it regardless if you believe it or not. The signs of the times show us all something is going to happen. It may not be in 2012, but its going to happen. When you fill a balloon to capacity it will eventually burst right? With all the crime, wars, droughts, famines, diseases and the list goes on and on. Can't you feel something is going to happen? Dont let fear make you a victim , be strong, stand up and be a survivor for what ever is ahead of us. Planet or not, this species needs to survive. If we dont prepare now, no one will be left to carry on. To me, that would be the worse event to ever happen to all of mankind.
-------------------- Whoever said anything was possible, obviouly never tried slamming a revolving door.
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Mar 15 2008, 06:39 PM
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'anit watched that one yet, Will do soon.
It's just that there is no (Reliable) evidence to back up Planet X, Cricket. We all respect each others opinion, (Which is why we poke jokes at the subject, not the people who believe it) but there's no harm in debunking a subject which could cause some people to take drastic action and become seriously scared. This post has been edited by Xeno: Mar 15 2008, 06:45 PM |
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Mar 15 2008, 08:10 PM
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Ah, okay... Watched the first one Cricket.
I'm only going to comment on the news story, as the remainder of the video is what I consider to be "Dribble". (Does it seriously say the Sumerian's knew DNA existed....*sigh*) When discussing Planet X, it is important to determine the definition of X. In mathematics, X means an unknown value. While, X to some could also mean the Nibiru planet X. To tackle number 1. I do believe there is a celestial body that is of the size of a planet is somewhere in the outer solar system. But, the theory that this "Planet" approaches the inner solar system removes it classification as a planet. It would mean it fails to meet the Cleared the neighbourhood criteria. So, this scientist called it a planet, as he works with space he must obviously know the criteria for a planet. "proof it's really there" is WRONG; nothing yet has been proven, just theorized. |
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Mar 15 2008, 10:55 PM
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Cricket, I understand the feelings you're talking about. I've often had that feeling ... like walking on a train rail and feeling it vibrate.
Xeno, good point about the classification of a planet. -------------------- The optimist sees a glass that is half-full.
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Mar 20 2008, 08:21 PM
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Unlike the popular belief that humanity has been on this steady rise of intelligence, some of these ancient civilizations knew things that were lost and had to be discovered.
If this planet once housed an advanced race, it was a very long time ago. Not withstanding encounters with aliens that knew quite a bit, this planet has not seen a civilization as advanced as our own for some time. Being that ancient humans did not know what we do today, one would have to assume that aliens gave some of the harder to find facts to these earlier peoples. The amount of activity on the part of aliens is enough to make one wounder why it is so quiet now. I realize it is possible that aliens (the Annanoki) could have given Sumerians advanced knowledge for their time but the rest is speculation on what it was about. The fact is that the Annanoki could have given the Sumerians knowledge that was misinterpreted by the Sumerians, or simply mistranslated by ourselves. With talk of a great flood and far out disasters it is not too much to assume that the little troubles we have now are not the threat we make them our to be. they are not the end of the world. Just a time when people are paying attention and can tell other people what they saw. We do in fact have a rather advanced civilization. But it has only been around for a short time in a state were it could observe a wide area. The truth is that the planet is not going into a doomsday. Only 100 years ago a mass of locus roughly 4 trillion in number ravaged North America. The worlds worst natural disaster (by number of people killed) was over 100 years ago (in China) with just short of 1 million people killed. The worst volcano eruption of our modern era was over 100 years ago... You get where I am going with this? These "disasters" we have now are nothing! If you think disease is killing us now, you are listening to too much hype. We have seen allot worse! The world is not on the brink of disaster, it is just waking up to a time when people talk to each other at a level like never before. This paranoia about how things are getting worse is spoon fed to you and leaving out that this calm quite world has it's ripples and moments of noise. Planet X is simply not on the way. That Japanese scientist spoke of finding it IF IT IS THERE. Not that it was there. We are simply not so dull that we can't see a huge planet on the way. The reason it is so hard to see things way out on the rim is that they are: 1. A long way out there 2. Small objects to begin with 3. It is not well lighted that far from the sun If the object called Planet X is on the way then we will see it. But I hope you are all aware that people for 100s of years have been on the edge of their seats over that fact that super catastrophes are just around the corner. You can go right ahead and have that sinking feeling that something is about to kill us all but I hope you realize your going to have that feeling just like every other person that said that for thousands of years. So I would not hold my breath. I hope not to offend anyone. If you really are convinced doom is about to strike it is not because you are stupid or something. That is really quite understandable. All through our history and before recorded history things DO happen. Man whether he will admit it or not is old. He has been around and sooner or later something ALWAYS did happen. It happens so often that I would be shocked to think that in a time of peace people would not be worried about what is coming next. So of course something is coming! It is just that it is not planet X. In fact it could be thousands of years before "it" comes. Until then we may have Earthquakes, floods, man made disasters, odd sun activity, pesky bug problems, storms,... all the normal average everyday excitement here on planet Earth, nothing odd for us. There is a word for you to think with and it's meaning: Fear - an emotion characterized by an unwillingness to perceive due to the belief that what one will see is too painful, scary, overwhelming, etc.. and the desire to get away form it. If a people live in fear they can't see what is around them because they won't look. They get these scary glimpses that are all inaccurate but due to their emotional state, that is all that is needed to make them very real. This Planet X is one of these things where someone says "it could be a planet" and everyone runs for their lives even when nothing more is found. That is fear precisely. People that are afraid DON'T LOOK at the thing they are afraid of. They accept what others tell them because it is easier to look at a friend then the scary thing itself. I am not calling anyone a coward. Fear is an emotion, people experience emotion. You can make a person feel fear just by reversing this and giving someone too little information for him to think with something. This is used in scary movies, you never clearly see the monster or what the monster is doing. This makes you feel fear. We can't see Planet X not because it is scary, but because it is not there. But this is right in line with the emotion of fear. We have a story that it is no the way... A possible glimpse of it in 1983... a populace that is spoon feed disaster stories... the inability to clearly see what is at that distance from the sun.... This is all fear needs to get a grip on you. Relax! and know that we do in fact have plenty of disasters on the way. This I promise you. No need to hold onto Planet X. If anyone does get a good look at planet X and I am wrong, I tell you what, I will scream like a little girl just like the rest of people of Earth. Until then lets not make the mistake of thinking that our civilization is on top of the world and need not continue research and forward science. If we keep the forward growth of our population and science and reach for space, some day planet X will be something we can swat out of the way if it ever does show it's ugly head. This post has been edited by ScottMan: Mar 20 2008, 08:27 PM |
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Mar 21 2008, 05:32 AM
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The name "Planet X" has been co-opted by these "Nibiru"-believing Sitchin followers. The term "Planet X" has been used by celestial dynamicists for decades to refer simply to a planet in the outer solar system that has not been confirmed to exist, and measurements of the movements of other planets has lead those scientists to believe that it does or does not exist at various times depending upon what the best measurements at any one time have said. Now, simply because scientists are on the hunt for an undiscovered planet in no way confirms anything about the myth of Nibiru travelling into the inner solar system to destroy life on earth. Sitichin cultists have simply stolen the name so that they are able to make references to scientific writing and news in the scientific press as some kind of corroboration for what they are saying, when in actuality they are two entirely different concepts.
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