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Polygamy, Pedophiles and Religion...ugghhhh....

These things make me sooo angry! Here in British Columbia, we have a Mormon sect living in Bountiful. Everyone knows they're marrying off kids to 60 year olds (they might be 16, but I assure you, regardless of them getting their parent's permission, the marriage is not their idea), but no one does anything for fear of violating their rights to religion.

Apparently children have no rights if it's done in the name of god?

I hate this privileged status we give to religious groups. If this was done for any other reason, there would be no hesitation to arrest the lot of them.

Ugh...

that is really sad.a religion designed for peadophiles,by peadophiles if you ask me.its sickening.

Terrible isn't it? It amazes me....the things we tolerate in the name of religion...

BTW good to see you SA!

This falls into two of the three categories in the title

http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1145...p=front&a=2

The girl should be recognized as a champion for human rights. The father and husband should be prosecuted but there is
no law in Yemen given the authority to try the case. How many young children are unable to do what this brave little girl did?

This post has been edited by iwant2believe2: Apr 21 2008, 02:34 PM

I think people must learn to accept religion is just an idea and so should be able to be challenged or criticized like any other ideas....


You can challenge someone's moral, tastes, political stance, science...but when it comes to religion, for some reason that is off-limits?

I believe that two of the greatest struggles for modern civilisation have to be the fights against the subjugation of women and the exploitation of children. I hope that if they meet their god the practitioners of religious polygamy and pedophilia are shown no mercy. It really does boil my blood.

it seems incredibly spooky that the three are linked.possibly caused by the corruption of the real religous writings.the bible was re written to exclude women.

I think all modern religion excludes and subjugates women, not just Christianity.

Not all but most do, i agree.what is the reason behind this.is it another viel in front of the truth.Can man not accept that god may of been a women.

Can you give an example for a religion where women are not treated as inferior Mac?
I don't think that it's the idea that 'God' was a woman, but more to do with the suppression of knowledge that our roots are based in a matriarchal society. One where women held the power.

This post has been edited by comfortablynumb: May 29 2008, 01:49 PM

I don't give a crap if someone wants to be a polygamist. I don't care if folks go outside, hug trees, and pray to the mother spirit. You start doing things that hurt kids, that's your ass Mr. Postman.

Polygamy can be quite devastating to kids, imagine finding out that daddy's got another family. We need to understand that emotional pain can hurt just as much, if not more than, physical pain.

Lol, reminds me of the time I asked my dad if he'd ever had an affair. I loved his answer:

"One woman's all the trouble any man deserves."

That works BOTH ways, by the way. You could just as easily say:

"One man's all the trouble any woman deserves." and it would be just as true.

Still, I agree with JDorfler on this one. Not my place to care what consenting adults want to do and choose to do (so long as they are not coerced into it), but start in on the kids, man, and you signed up for serious trouble from yours truly.

That said: we're ragging on these people about their religion, and I get that, because they've allegedly institutionalized abuse. I still have to say 'allegedly' because although they've been accused, and I understand the evidence is good, there are problems with this story: not the least of which is that the '16 year old victim' may have been a 33 year old Colorado woman up on charges in Colorado for a prank call in which she claimed to be an abused girl held captive in a basement.

http://www.currentargus.com/ci_8966589
http://www.kutv.com/content/news/southernu...34-c54dbf40b920
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/23/po...rest/index.html

Also, they have been unable to verify that underage girls have in fact been married outside Texas age of consent.

Another problem that I had right away: When the police came to the compound to take the women and children to the temporary facility, they used, among other vehicles, Baptist Church buses. At best, it's a lack of tact, but it raises flags on other issues: namely, that I have personally known Baptists (and this is not limited by any mean to Baptists) who would do literally ANYTHING to save a 'lost soul', even breaking the law, even committing a sin under the idea that God would forgive them because the ends justified the means. Example, I knew a guy who started dating a woman, carried on for a couple of years, then told her not only that he wouldn't marry her, but that it was over unless she converted. Then he went proudly ever after telling everybody how he 'saved her soul'.

As for 16 year olds marrying older men, this is not limited to minorities, be they racial, ethnic, cultural, or religious, not even considering parental and society pressure to do so. Happens in red-blooded American households all the time: and not always trailer trash neither, boys and girls.

People who try to force ANYBODY, of ANY age, to get married are pond scum, but people who try to enslave little kids (and no offense, but 16 and 17 is still pretty green, im-[not so]-ho): well, folks, them 'people' oughtta be squashed.

This post has been edited by kirin-rex: May 29 2008, 06:10 PM

Well, I've probably made myself clear on where I stand on Religion elesewhere in this forum but i'm gonna reitterate. When me and other 'Atheists or Non-Believers' or whatever denounce religion we get all attacked by these bible bashers because the bible is right so we must be wrong there is no way this can be justified.

oh i forgot, it's 'In The Name Of God' so it must be acceptable.

Religion : The biggest bullshit sack of false promises and everything else.

Well, I believe in God, but I don't care for organized religions. Some religions do help people. Some religions have the capacity to teach us things. However, more often than not, we use religions to divide, not unite; to propagate hatred instead of love; to make US feel special instead of humbling us in the knowledge that OTHERS are special too. I don't think FAITH is bs nor do I think GOD is bs ... organized religions might be another matter though. However, I have NO problem if people don't agree with me. My faith doesn't require me to convert people, so non-believers are safe around me.

BTW, crw, my church is having a picnic on sunday ... kidding, kidding!

IW2.....as someone that perfers older women....that has been divorced two times....and does not really practice religion.....I'd really have no sympathy as to what happens with pedophiles....(though I do agree with louisiana on this one)......polyamists should really be commited.....most people I know have trouble with one spouse...(men or women).....and religion.....I guess I just don't want the government religious.

when you said "Apparently children have no rights if it's done in the name of god?" I think you totally hit the nail on the head. I am so against what these sects are doing to children. 16 is too young, being married off to someone is just sick especially if it is against their will and having multiple wives...well as long as they're not kids, but even so when people have multiple wives, sometimes they are marrying cousins or sisters, do they think about the consequences? Children should not be brainwashed under the so called "eyes of god". That is why these mothers and children do not speak out, because it's "God's way, and God's purpose." Well f*ck me with a french fry, good LORD that makes no sense. I personally don't believe in a God that would put fear into anyone, besides...has anyone really seen a clear example of God coming down to strike sinners with lightning if they do somethingbad. Nope, actually the first thing they teach you in the bible about sinning is to ask for forgiveness...they also say if you ask God for forgiveness he will forgive you, he will "wash your sins away." So riddle me this batman....what the f*ck is with the fear? I think God is more layed back than people believe and this bullsh*t excuse for raping children and having as many wives as you can to control is completely man made-up crap!