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CaptainScarlet
post Apr 2 2007, 07:22 PM
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Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah --from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities --and also the vegetation in the land." Genesis 19:24, 25 NIV)

At the south end of the beautiful, yet barren Dead Sea area, there is a mountain known as Mt. Sodom. It is adjacent to this area that the city of Sodom was located. The Bible indicates that there were more than just the two cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that were destroyed that day. So far, at least 5 cities have been discovered that were turned to ash and have sulfur balls strewn throughout them. The location of each of these was found by scrutinizing satellite maps of the area, locating geometric shapes, particularly square or rectangular areas. Visits to each location, with the subsequent finding of a city turned to ash and many sulfur balls (brimstone in the King James version of the Bible), provided confirmation.



Jonathan Gray points to one of the cities. You can see the rectangular outline of the city walls. The white colored ash of the cities stands in stark contrast to the grayish brown of the surrounding desert.




Here is a mound that looks as if it had been a ziggurat (a pagan pyramidal temple). Outside of some of the cities were large shapes that were very similar in shape to the Great Sphinx of Egypt.



[img]http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomf27.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full[/img]


A worker picks up a chunk of wall and easily crushes it


http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm
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post Apr 2 2007, 07:22 PM
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post Apr 18 2007, 12:05 PM
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Salt and sulfur are byproducts of a nuclear explosion. Just something to think about.
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post Apr 18 2007, 05:52 PM
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Hot springs, potash, sulfur salts/deposits and more are all natural to the Dead Sea Area. No nuclear activity raining down from heaven or god throwing lightening bolts at a pagan society created these Natural Resources. People should check the geology of the area before they make these ludicrous assumptions. ~rore


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post Apr 18 2007, 05:56 PM
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Hot springs, potash, sulfur salts/deposits and more are all natural to the Dead Sea Area. No nuclear activity raining down from heaven or god throwing lightening bolts at a pagan society created these Natural Resources. People should check the geology of the area before they make these ludicrous assumptions. ~rore



^^^ What she said.
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post Jun 26 2007, 08:20 PM
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Salt and sulfur are byproducts of a nuclear explosion. Just something to think about.


This area is one of many areas in the world that vitrified rock is found that is only the kind that is formed from a nuclear explosion when examined with recent nuclear test sites.
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post Jun 28 2007, 08:06 PM
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Ivan.....shock quartz...."melted sand" such as what is found at Alamagordo..(the Trinity Site)....can also be found from meteor impacts....there are quite a few known impacts around the world.....I agree with Rore....check your geological information before you think sodom and gomorrah were obliterated in a nuclear holocost
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post Jun 28 2007, 10:04 PM
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Ivan.....shock quartz...."melted sand" such as what is found at Alamagordo..(the Trinity Site)....can also be found from meteor impacts....there are quite a few known impacts around the world.....I agree with Rore....check your geological information before you think sodom and gomorrah were obliterated in a nuclear holocost


There is vitrified rock from known impacts, but scientists have found that a specific vitrified type of rock is only caused by nuclear explosion. Nuclear waste dumps have been found in India while they were doing open mining. Other areas in the world showed rock-mephirs such as some in Britian, Towers of Formor have been subjectgated to enormous heat blasts.

We are dealing with the concept of a previous civilization that had such weapons and technology. Indra's dart, vinimas and much more. Time of Abraham or A Brahmin as proper Sumerian titles give. I can't imagine someone getting forewarned of an incoming meteor, but of a war hit yes. Who where the so called Angels, Aliens? Agents of another power? Then explain too the technical accounts of the vinimas and etc. and of the wars, both of the Indus account but the Nordic accounts too of Baldar's eye (radar?) firery darts hitting the enemy. The in Spaldings accounts too of finds of great technology he saw among the Rishi and lost crystalized cities in remote parts of India. T.v was not invented when he wrote his accounts yet mentioned.

We are not the first great civilization on this planet others before may well of been far greater. Many bas reliefs from those time show flying craft, and even advanced illustrations of d.n.a. and etc. So where did they get them from?
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There is vitrified rock from known impacts, but scientists have found that a specific vitrified type of rock is only caused by nuclear explosion. Nuclear waste dumps have been found in India while they were doing open mining. Other areas in the world showed rock-mephirs such as some in Britian, Towers of Formor have been subjectgated to enormous heat blasts.


ivan....could you explain what rock-mephirs are....I googled it...nothing (England or ANYWHERE ELSE)...I asked my father...(a geologist of 57 years) and I myself have never heard of it...(I'm a geologist of 26 years).....also when I googled Towers of Formor...the only thing I found was fantasy websites akin to dungeons and dragons.....I would appreciate more information....:headscrat
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post Jun 29 2007, 09:24 PM
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People should check the geology of the area before they make these ludicrous assumptions

I prefer check the bible first cuz was the bible that give the description of what happened here(Also give the site).

Every episode in bible.,people try to resolve with science- but not this time:
These cities are indeed unique. Other cities that have been destroyed by fire or by volcanoes, like Pompeii, have a layer of ash on top, but under that is the original material. Here however, we see entire cities completely turned to ash, exactly as the Bible describes. II Peter 2:6 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly".

On the western side of the Dead Sea lie the remains of two ashen cities, one at the base of Mt. Masada, and the other at the base of Mt. Sodom. In 1989, amateur archaeologist, Ron Wyatt was driving along the road past these sites. Although he had driven along this road perhaps thirty to forty times before, this time they suddenly looked like city walls and buildings. Pulling over to investigate further, Ron found that within these cities are building-like structures, all completely composed of ash. There are rooms that one can still enter today. He found interlinking streets, ziggurats and sphinx, all enclosed in traditional city walls, complete with buttresses.


http://english.sdaglobal.org/evangelism/arch/sodom.htm
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post Jun 30 2007, 11:00 PM
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CS posts: I prefer check the bible first. Also give the site

Here’s some info CS from http://www.jafi.org.il/education/noar/sites/deadsea.htm

“In the southern sector (of the Dead Sea), mushroom-like hills from a mixture of minerals and sand were sculpted by erosion from wind and floods in the mountains of Judean the desert.”

This may explain some of those neat shapes that appear to be man-made? They were sculpted tens of thousands of years prior to Sodom and Gomorrah.

“The Dead Sea receives additional mineral supply from salt and sulphur springs on its shores.”

What do you expect is the effect of sulfur springs in the area? Maybe sulfur deposits? And how are sulfur springs formed? By underground venting of extremely heated gasses maybe? These springs also existed prior to Sodom and Gomorrah.

“The lake that occupied the Dead Sea Rift, named "Lake Sodom", deposited beds of salt, eventually coming to be 3 km (2 miles) thick.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea#Natural_history

Perhaps CastleBravo will elaborate on the geological history of the area. The area was a lush place well over a 100,000 years ago and its geologic history is quite interesting. It is still geologically active and there is no mystery in my mind why there is such a diversity of minerals and salts in that area.

My original ‘source’ regarding my first post was actually a site that promotes tourism in the area… Hot Springs Spa Resorts etc. http://www.einbokek.com/deadsea.htm And that is where I found this:
“Although fed by rivers in Israel and Jordan, as well as springs and winter floods, no water flows out of the Dead Sea. Instead it evaporates in the high temperatures, twice the amount of water entering, leaving one of the world's greatest concentrations of minerals, which supplies vast amounts of raw chemicals for industry, agriculture and medicine; these are extracted, processed and exported all over the world by the Dead Sea Works at Sedom.”

“The Dead Sea has attracted interest and visitors from around the Mediterranean basin for thousands of years. It was a place of refuge for King David, one of the world's first health resorts (for Herod the Great)…” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea

Then I double checked the history of the local geology (going back millions of years), mining adventures (for at least a few thousand years, the salt deposits there were commercially viable. These salt deposits were not formed by god‘s destruction of any cities). I also looked into the cultural history of the area and when different settlements were built on or near the cities in question etc… I certainly did not go to a Religious Evangelic site until you posted your link.
In any case, I honestly will not use the Bible as a primary source for geological or archeological accuracy. ~rore


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post Jul 1 2007, 04:48 AM
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Nice try but scientist always trying to make bible fails.
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CS posts: Nice try but scientist always trying to make bible fails.

You asked for info, I provided but a meager amount. But what I provided I found through my own efforts to make sense out of the Bible’s nonsense.
Much of the Bible is based on subjective realism. I’ll take my approach to finding the Truth over the efforts of Religious Zealots any day and I hope the rest of the People will likewise do their own research rather than let a bunch of Religious Kooks decide for them how life should be lived. Power to the People.
Death to any Dogma that represses the Spirit of Humanity. ~rore


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post Jul 8 2007, 03:19 PM
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I agree with Rore...there is no mystery here. Its also no mystery that ancient cities lying at the foot of volcanic mountains may be found to be 'ashen'. What you have here, in regard to the biblical stories, is the same throwing of stones that you can find in modern religious circles. For example, the Christian right blaming the natural disaster of Hurricane Katrina upon New Orleans as God's punishment for its residents' vices. Its an old habit of religious fundamentalists.
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post Jul 8 2007, 06:11 PM
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Nice try but scientist always trying to make bible fails.


Wow. Just wow. Those evil atheistic scientists must be spending all their time and money on disproving the bible! All the great advancements in science and technology weren't made by scientists! rolleyes.gif

Please... What do you have against scientists? Is it their normally skeptical nature? The way they dedicate their lives to search for the truth instead of throwing their arms in the air and saying "goddidit"? I'm dying to hear.
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post Jul 8 2007, 09:08 PM
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the Christian right blaming the natural disaster of Hurricane Katrina upon New Orleans as God's punishment for its residents' vices. Its an old habit of religious fundamentalists.

Never hear that but there are a lot of people that said are "christians" and forgot that God is love.



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Wow. Just wow. Those evil atheistic scientists must be spending all their time and money on disproving the bible! All the great advancements in science and technology weren't made by scientists! rolleyes.gif

Please... What do you have against scientists? Is it their normally skeptical nature? The way they dedicate their lives to search for the truth instead of throwing their arms in the air and saying "goddidit"? I'm dying to hear.


Probably you don't understand what i mean....Not all scientist cuz the people that are making the research of Sodomah and Gomorrah are also scientist and they not need to mocking throwing their arms in the air and saying "goddidit"? ,as you said.
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post Jul 9 2007, 12:41 AM
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Never hear that but there are a lot of people that said are "christians" and forgot that God is love.


Precisely why I find it difficult to believe that intelligent people could ascribe natural disasters to God as a form of punishment. God is love, right?

Speaking of S&G and the idea of righteous punishment...how is it that of the people of S&G, only Lot was considered righteous enough to escape with his life...considering that he had, a short time before Sodom's holy punishment, offered up his own daughter to be gang raped..and then topped that off with having sex with his own daughters after escaping with his righteous self? And LEAST of all...tried to excuse his actions by claiming that he was too drunk to know that they were his daughters? lol Jeez....a man cant get that drunk and still perform...but I guess incest and rape ranks lower on the 'sin scale' then homosexuality.
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post Jul 9 2007, 06:21 AM
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Precisely why I find it difficult to believe that intelligent people could ascribe natural disasters to God as a form of punishment. God is love, right?

Speaking of S&G and the idea of righteous punishment...how is it that of the people of S&G, only Lot was considered righteous enough to escape with his life...considering that he had, a short time before Sodom's holy punishment, offered up his own daughter to be gang raped..and then topped that off with having sex with his own daughters after escaping with his righteous self? And LEAST of all...tried to excuse his actions by claiming that he was too drunk to know that they were his daughters? lol Jeez....a man cant get that drunk and still perform...but I guess incest and rape ranks lower on the 'sin scale' then homosexuality.


Heeeeheeeeheeeeee! I was discussing this with my wife just a few days ago... Very salient point!
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post Jul 9 2007, 09:28 PM
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only Lot was considered righteous enough to escape with his life...

READ THE BIBLE AND YOU 'LL LEARN WHY.
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lol ok...I've read the bible and you didnt address my question. Incest and complicity to gang rape is quite a big blemish on one's record, dont you think? Apparently, however, the men who recounted the story of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction so disproved of the ill treatment of a guest and homosexuality that they thought it prudent to ascribe the natural catastrophe of Sodom's destruction to God's wrath...all the while, setting Lot up to be a fine example of how a Godly man should behave.

Sorry but I find such a tarnishing of God's character with human bigotry and perversion to be blasphemous.
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