Isis is quoted as saying that no mortal has ever lifted her veil meaning that her identity is a mystery to all humans.
The shrine of Isis in Sais carried the inscription "I am all that hath been, and is, and shall be; and my veil no mortal has hitherto raised."[
I have lifted the veil of Isis. Not sure if anyone is interested in Isis. I have also discovered the lost location of Punt which was a place that was visited by pharoah Hatshepsut in the 18th dynasty about 3,400 years ago. The location of Punt has been lost in history. Not sure if anyone is really interested in ancient civilizations. I have discovered alot of information about ancient civilizations that is not known through my research. I have also discovered unknown facts about the egyptian pyramids. I know there are alot of people who study ancient civilizations and I notice there is alot of information that is a mystery to us in the modern world. Serious study would be required to find out unknown facts. It is strange to me when I find facts that other people who have studied ancient civilzations have failed to find. Also for anyone who knows about the churning of the sea of milk, I believe the information about the churning of the sea of milk may be based on actual events. I know where the event occured.

tell me more

I read about Isis and Osirus and became interested. Not knowing their true identities made me curious to know everything about them. After alot of research, I finally found out the true identity of Isis.

I am also interested in the brothers and sisters of Isis-Horus, Seth and Nephthys. I still do not know thier true identities. I might know who Osirus really was. Also, I might know the true identity of Horus- the son of Isis.

What is interesting to me is that it looks like Isis lived for thousands of years(at least 1300 years from my research). Isis may have been present at the churning of the sea of milk and drank the elixer of immortality.

I discovered the location of Punt through an old National Geographic magazine. I got an idea of what Punt looked like through Egyptian art that showed the story of a trip to Punt. I was looking at the National Geographic and noticed that the picture in the magazine looked exactly like what the Egyptian's had painted in their artwork. Also, the Egyptians decribed the people of Punt as living in beehive like homes on the water. Today, the people who live in the area known as Punt to the ancient Egyptians, still live as they lived thousands of years ago, in beehive like homes on the water.

I prefer to keep my discoveries secret for now.

Interesting. I have not done much research into this.

Owhhh double bugger... So does that mean it's the end of the discussion and we all get left in the lurch? :cool:

Dingo
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In other words, you don't have squat.

Sounds like the premise of a cult leader. I know the secret, follow me. I will reveal the secret when it is time, and after I have all your money, devotion, adulation, whatever.

Bless us your ignorent followers.

First, a few words about Isis (Aset, i.e. the Throne):

In the heavens the Isiac symbol was the star Sept/Spdt (α Canis Majoris), which was greatly beloved because its appearance marked not only the beginning of a new year, but made also known to every one that the Inundation of the Nile was near (the Akhet-season, Distant One), which signified renewed wealth and prosperity for Egypt. As such, Isis was considered as the companion of Osiris, whose soul resided in the star Sah (α Orionis), and she was held to have brought about the destruction of the fiend Apep, and of his hosts of darkness by means of the power of her magic.

Second, the Veil of Isis:

Well, simply put – in the religion/mythology of the ancient Egyptians, Isis did not wear any veil …


And finally, the Land of Punt:

We know of trading missions sent to the land of Punt by the Egyptians dating from at least the 5th Dynasty, and of an expedition made there during the reign of the Egyptian pharaoh Pepi II Neferkare (ca. 2200 BC). Queen Hatshepsut (reigned ca. 1472–1458 BC) made a voyage to Punt and had the details of the journey recorded on the walls of her temple at Dayr al-Bahrī. Our latest definite record of an expedition comes from the 20th Dynasty.

Voyages to the Land of God eventually became routine. Products (like ebony – heben in Egyptian) were directly imported to Egypt. From the Divine Land also came gold. And thus it’s useless to go to Somalia, Yemen, or even the Horn of Africa (Zanzibar and Socotra) to find Punt. Recent research places Punt much nearer to Egypt. Why? We know that some of Punt's treasures were carried over land by way of Nmay and Irem (i.e. via modern Sudan). We also read of children of the chiefs of Punt being raised at the Egyptian court, alongside the children of Kush (Nubia) and Irem. Therefore, we may suppose as a fact that Punt was not so far away from Egypt, and thus place the Land of God on Africa's East Coast. De facto, research on flora (Boswellia and Commiphera and on Ebenaceae) and fauna (Panthera pardus, Acinonyx jubatus, Papio hamadryas and P. anubis, and Giraffa camelopardalis) suggests that Punt may have been located in the southern Sudan or the Eritrean region of Ethiopia – more precisely near the Lake Tana, between the Takaze and the Alai rivers.

The Veil of Isis refers to her human form, as that is not her true form, not an actual veil.

Not that i believe that kind of stuff mind you.

Well, to the ancient Egyptians Isis was worshiped under many aspects - Khut, Usert, Thenenet, Sati/Sept, Anqet, Ankhet, Sekhet, Renenet, Tcheft/Djeft, and Ament, being the most known. Not a single one of her aspects is associated with a veil, actual or imaginary.

ETA: Furthermore, neither Isis nor any other gods/goddesses did not wear any veil - actual or imaginary. Even Humans did not wear veils in ancient Egypt...

So - what do you mean by "Veil of Isis"?

A statue covered in a black veil was erected on the presumed tomb of Isis, close to Memphis. On the statue’s pedestal was engraved the following inscription: “I am everything that was, everything that is, that will be and no mortal has yet dared to lift my veil. �
Beneath this veil are hidden all the mysteries and the knowledge of the past… Pulling back Isis’ veil represents the revelation of the light, and to succeed in doing so is to become immortal.


http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/isis.jpg

yup, pretty sure that is a veil on her.

This statue has nothing to do with ancient Egypt, but represents a late outlasting of an old myth.

It’s not easy to explain, but I will try… Although the "picture" is coherent with its symbolism, the major part of the thinking does not make sense at all. Another way of saying it… It is just as if the gist of a text was lost, with all its meanings, and what were left to us would only be a few sentences. Then it’d be hard for us to reconstruct the original text, wouldn’t it?

The Veil – Although it is true that the temple statue was entirely undressed and dressed again each morning at dawn, there was no veil on the face of the deity.

Lifting the Veil is to reveal. And here, as I understand it, it’s to reveal the secret of Isis. But by contrast to what this picture shows, in the way of thinking of the ancient Egyptians, the face was never veiled in any way. Doing it, would be in opposition to their way of thinking, which makes use of myriads of expressions, such as “reveal/uncover the face�, “beautiful-faced one�, and so on.

I would say that this picture is the fruit of a way of thinking that comes from the 4-5th Centuries CE.

Another thought on the “veil� – peoples that live in the desert have the habit of wearing a veil, as a protection against sand winds. But in Kmt (Egypt) nobody wore any veil. Neither Egyptian gods and goddesses nor humans wore any veils at all. (I'm just repeating myself, but I don't care lol.)

This concept of Veil of Isis looks like it is expressed in a symbolism resulting from a rational thinking.

For example – why does this statue have nothing to do with the way the ancient Egyptians understood things? Because, every morning at daybreak, the Great Priest kissed the feet of the statue - in so doing, he was giving life to its Ka, since it was the representation of the Pharaoh. Then the Priest opened the statue’s mouth – a ritual that allowed the Ba of the statue to come to life. Any veil (actual,
sculpted, or even symbolic) would have impaired this “miracle�, which gave life to the god (or goddess) each day.

This ritual was accomplished in every temple in all Egypt, and at the same time each day – that is, at dawn, when the Sun rose progressively through out the country. To the ancient Egyptians, as Re was born each day, so did the Two Lands…

The “Veil of Isis� also appeared in a Coptic cloth discovered at Arsinoe. On this cloth, Isis is shown as a Siren holding the “veil� of the goddess. Here in this case, it is just a Christian laicization (from the 6th Century CE) of the ancient Egyptian myth, most probably the myth of the Distant One (Akhet).

From the moment when the rituals of Dynastic Egypt aren’t practised and nobody writes in Demotic anymore, then in Egyptology it is not considered as Ancient Egypt.


Well folks, this will be my last post for a while. Why? I'm stuck in an archaeological project - see my other post on the General Off Topic Forum

I will be missing you...
Corde atque ánimo,
Allison

You win Allison.

ahem yes thinking i've seen this somewhere before?? (crystal skull).

(Don't sleep on this) The Dogons of Mali in Africa are the Ancient Egyptians.

This post has been edited by kalel28: Jul 2 2008, 02:19 AM

Is that so? And i am sure you have evidence for this?

According to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy. It also rotates on its axis.

Two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, who recorded it from four Dogon priests in the 1930's . How did a people who lacked any kind of astronomical devices know so much about an invisible star? The star, which scientists call Sirius B, wasn't even photographed until it was done by a large telescope in 1970.

The story of the Dogon and their legend was first brought to popular attention by Robert K.G. Temple in a book published in 1977 called The Sirius Mystery. Science writer Ian Ridpath and astronomer Carl Sagan made a reply to Temple's book, suggesting that this modern knowledge about Sirius must have come from Westerners who discussed astronomy with the Dogon priests. The priests then included this new information into the older traditions. This, in turn, mislead the anthropologists.

This is a possibility considering Sirius B's existence was suspected as early as 1844 and seen was through a telescope in 1862. It doesn't seem to explain a 400-year old Dogon artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration nor the ceremonies held by the Dogon since the 13th century to celebrate the cycle of Sirius A and B. It also doesn't explain how the Dogons knew about the super-density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories.

A book was written about the Dogon Mystery: "The Science of the Dogon" which offers a case-by-case comparison of Dogon descriptions and drawings to corresponding scientific definitions and diagrams from authors like Stephen Hawking and Brian Greene, then extends this analysis to the counterparts of these symbols in both the ancient Egyptian and Hebrew religions. What is ultimately revealed is the scientific basis for the language of the Egyptian hieroglyphs, which was deliberately encoded to prevent the knowledge of these concepts from falling into the hands of all but the highest members of the Egyptian priesthood. The Science of the Dogon also offers compelling new interpretations for many of the most familiar Egyptian symbols, such as the pyramid and the scarab, and presents new explanations for the origins of religiously charged words such as Jehovah and Satan.

In Hidden Meanings Scranton used diagrams from the Dogon religion to reveal the structure of matter, starting with the atom and continuing all the way to the vibrating threads of string theory. He compared other Dogon diagrams to chromosomes and spindles during mitosis.


According to Dorey, "It is not surprising that Griaule and other anthropologists of the time missed the information in the religion related to DNA. Scientists didn't even discover DNA until 1953."

According to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy.
What’s the problem with this theory? It is entirely wrong. The Dogons did not have such knowledge; they acquired it through contact with anthropologists. See:
Science writer Ian Ridpath and astronomer Carl Sagan made a reply to Temple's book, suggesting that this modern knowledge about Sirius must have come from Westerners who discussed astronomy with the Dogon priests. The priests then included this new information into the older traditions. This, in turn, mislead the anthropologists.

The Dogons knew of the existence of Sirius, like so many people in antiquity did before them. Why could the Dogons not have known of the existence of a companion star? Because of this:
Also known as Alpha Canis Majoris, it is the fifth closest system to the Sun, at 8.6 light-years away. It is located in the north central part of Constellation Canis Major, the Larger Dog. Sirius is also the lower left member of the "Winter Triangle" of first magnitude stars, whose other components are Procyon (Alpha Canis Minoris) at upper left and Betelgeuse (Alpha Orionis) at right centre. A binary, the system is the title member of the Sirius stellar moving group (also know as the Sirius Super Clusteror Ursa Major star stream), which include all five stars of the Great Dipper as well as Gemma and are mostly around 490 million years old and all moving towards the galactic centre. Sirius is composed of a main-sequence star and a white dwarf stellar remnant. They form a close binary, Alpha Canis Majoris A and B, that is separated "on average" by only about 20 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun -- 19.8 astronomical units of an orbital semi-major axis -- which is about the same as the distance between Uranus and our Sun. The companion star is so dim that it cannot be perceived with the naked eye.

What the ancient Egyptians (AEs) knew about Sirius?

In its cycle, this star (Sothis for the Greeks; spdt for the AEs) disappears from the sky during 70 days, and reappears in the East, about 40min before the sunrise (the heliacal rise). Every Nilotic peasant knew that its reappearance, at dawn, was the advent of the Inundation (the Axt, or the Distant One). This correspondence was known well before pre-dynastic times: spdt was wHwH (the Barker), or sbA-Tsm (the Dog Star) – for it announced the flood of the Nile. This star was often represented by a young dog, and since it appears in the sky in the hottest season of the year, hence the term “canicula” (little dog) in Latin.

Very quickly, in the temples, the Egyptian priests observed and computed the movements of the stars. For Sothis-spdt, they noticed a shift in its appearance, and thus they got 365.25 days for the Sothic year, a calculation which is close to reality. (More clearly, they had a 1/4 day-shift per year.) To the Solar and Lunar cycle-rhythm, expressed in the calendars, they added a wider rhythm, the Sothic period. Every 1,461 years, the Sothic vague year coincided with the agricultural calendar: this similarity was of great importance for the AEs. In the year 1321 BCE, under the rule of Horemheb (19th Dynasty), many festivals and ceremonies took place, as the two New Year Days (Sothic period and solar calendar) fell on the 1st day of the first month of the Axt season (the Akhet-season).

The first known Sothic period dates from 4241 BCE. Every beginning of a Sothic period coincides with the beginning of a Solar year. The 365-day calendar is thought to have been instituted this early. The third Sothic period ended in 139 BCE.

For the ancient Egyptians, they were similar to the rhythms (or more literally, breathings) of the Universe.

Sources:
A. M. Antoniadi, L’Astronomie Égyptienne; yes, it was published in 1934, but it is still good;
Otto E. Neugebauer, the Exact Sciences in Antiquity, 1952, 1957, 1969; a really good book;
Jürgen von Beckerath, Handbuch der Ägyptischen Königsnamen, 1999 & Chronologie des Pharaonischen Ägypten, 1997; two classics;
R. Weill, Chronologie égyptienne, 1936; a bit old but still a classic;
R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz, Étude l’Apet du Sud: all the works of this author on Ancient Egypt are of an unrivalled richness. BUT… I’m talking about de Lubicz only, NOT about his circle of friends, or associates.