Thread: Ancient Egypt - Japan underwater ruin

I think that you have discovered Atlantis.

During the ice age the interior of the continents were cold, inhospitable, and inhabited by barbarians. A race of seafaring peoples built coastal cities and sailed around the earth. When the sea levels rose and the ice receded their cities went underwater and their civilization was lost.

We are just now exploring our oceans and rediscovering a lost history. Greek history was lost for over a thousand years and rediscovered during the reneisance.

As we gain more expertise with underwater archeology, we will rediscover Atlantien history.

I have noticed on the post I made that the underwater ruin near Japan has a look like an Egyptian sphinx. I attached a copy of a sphinx for reference and comparison. The picture could be compared to any sphinx image. I just attached one I found for reference.

It not easy to see the first picture I attached. The picture looks like the head gear comes out on the side of the face of the ruin just like the Egyptian sphinx.
So does this mean that the Egyptians once had a pharonic style civilization near Japan thousands of years before the Egyptian sphinx, pyamids, etc.? The civilization that existed near Japan would be the Jomon civilization.

I have also attached the Egyptian rock carving artifact that shows again the previously attached information. It is the picture that shows what looks like a trip to the area of Japan that is now under water. The outline in red (in center) would be in my opinion, the underwater rock carved image near Japan that is also attached. There is also another outline in red to the right in the center scene. It looks like a large cat face image- not a normal cat, something like a human type intelligent alien cat. It is also possible that it could be something like an Olmec person that turned out looking like a cat.

Originally Posted by tye

I have noticed on the post I made that the underwater ruin near Japan has a look like an Egyptian sphinx. I attached a copy of a sphinx for reference and comparison. The picture could be compared to any sphinx image. I just attached one I found for reference.

It not easy to see the first picture I attached. The picture looks like the head gear comes out on the side of the face of the ruin just like the Egyptian sphinx.
So does this mean that the Egyptians once had a pharonic style civilization near Japan thousands of years before the Egyptian sphinx, pyamids, etc.? The civilization that existed near Japan would be the Jomon civilization.

I have also attached the Egyptian rock carving artifact that shows again the previously attached information. It is the picture that shows what looks like a trip to the area of Japan that is now under water. The outline in red (in center) would be in my opinion, the underwater rock carved image near Japan that is also attached. There is also another outline in red to the right in the center scene. It looks like a large cat face image- not a normal cat, something like a human type intelligent alien cat. It is also possible that it could be something like an Olmec person that turned out looking like a cat.

One problem, Tye: I'm not sure, but I don't believe that this is a picture from the Yonaguni 'ruins'. The Yonaguni 'structures', by the way, are (according to some) completely natural formations caused by underwater erosion and other processes. They ARE amazing, either way.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8772408@N06/s...57602097554233/
http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html
http://www.divingobsession.com/location/us...;keyedType=DVST

Kirin Rex, I did not take the photo so I can say that it is definately from the Yonaguni underwater ruins. The information that I found seemed to include the photo as part of the Yonaguni site.

I am surprised there is not more information online about the site. It looks like a couple of divers went down and took pictures and posted online information. Not alot of pictures so you only get one choice for the picture I have which has divers covering part of the face and there is no picture from the front of the face- only the side.

What I can say about the picture that I attached is that it does remind me of an Egyptian sphinx. If so and it is near Japan, did the Egyptians travel to the site and use the site that is underwater as a stone quarry to mine for stone for their temples, etc. before it went underwater- also for other civilizations. Did they have a civlization in the area before moving to Egypt, and other places such as South America, Summeria, Persia, Atlantis, etc.

I have attached a photo from Egypt. Compare to the other photo from underwater ruin near Japan. The 2 pictures show a resemblance which would help show a connection between Egypt to the ancient Jomon civilization that has been submerged below water near Japan. The pictures and other facts such as the previous attached pictures (underwater ruin that slightly resembles a sphinx and the Egypt artifact that is a stone carving that I have described as possible story of a trip to the area which is now an underwater ruin near Japan and what looks like the underwater "sphinx" structure carved into the Egyptian artifact) could help show a connection between what would be the Jomon civilization near Japan and other ancient civilizations.

Information from these websites:


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/niuserre.htm

http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Japan&#39...ter%20Ruins.htm

For anyone interested in more information about the Jomon connection to ancient civilizations, I found the below:

http://www.paranormalnews.com/articl...ArticleID=1046

According to the computer generated Ice Age maps, about 25 million square miles of land were submerged by the rising sea-level because of the melting of the Ice Age ice-pack, and much of that land is now the floor of the shallow seas of southern Asia. To the east of India, Ice Age megaliths of the Jomon Civilization are found on the sea-floor between Japan and Taiwan (at Yonaguni, Kerama, Chatan, and more). These stone circles, tiered plazas, and step-pyramids of astronomical measuring significance are found on the sea-floor, as they are on land, thus proving that these buildings were of the same time period.

Are we to believe that these astronomically significant megaliths were built some 12,000 years ago at a time when mainstream earth-chronologists insist that the Ice Age ended and sea level resultantly rose about 100 meters to engulf these megaliths which are evidently and contradictorily of 2000 B.C. vintage? Are we to believe that the Hindu and Tamil recounts of history have been going on for 12,000 years, and that humanity developed no further and built no more for 7,000 years (from 10000 B.C. to 3000 B.C.) until advanced cultures reemerged in Egypt and Sumeria (Babylon)? Such a torturous manipulation of the evidences from the archaeology and the ancient legends is unnecessary with the realization that the Ice Age did in fact end much later than is popularly advertised.

Egypt and Sumeria were building their megaliths when the Indus, Tamil, and Jomon people were building theirs during the Ice Age. Heavy water erosion of the limestone walls in the Sphinx quarry and of the non-coated limestone pyramids evidence the heavy rainfall of the Ice Age climate in the middle latitudes around 2000 B.C., and submerged megaliths in the Mediterranean off the coast of Egypt at Sidi Gaber and Kinessa, off the coast of Lebanon at Yarmuta and Sidon, off Malta at Sliema, and at other locations known (and yet to be discovered), these all corroborate the end-of-the-Ice Age inundation of vast tracts of land with their megaliths of 2000 B.C. form and function.

The tiered plazas and ramps of the submerged Jomon megaliths of offshore Japan bear a notable resemblance to the pre-Incan megaliths of the Gateway to the Sun at Tiahuanaco in Bolivia, and ancient Jomon pottery has been found in Peru, so it seems that the Jomon were navigators and astronomers who also settled in the New World during the Ice Age. The ancient Olmecs of Central America had a legend that they came from across the eastern sea, and the onshore megalithic statues of the Olmecs depict their African facial features, and their language closely resembles that of the Mande of Africa who speak a Lybyco-Berber tongue. The Toltecs and Mayans who sprang from the Olmecs built pyramids with astronomical orientations reflective of these peoples’ deep knowledge about the precession of the stars, so it seems that they also were astro-navigators who sailed the seas around 2000 B.C.


The ancient history book Popol Vue of the Olmec-descended Mayans recalls the time when their seafaring ancient ancestors arrived from the east because of their sophisticated navigational skills as they "studied and measured the round face of the earth and the arch of the sky" in a time of "constant twilight" and "black rain." The obviously heavy volcanic ash content of this rain and the dense cloud-cover from which this rain came that blocked the sun to cause "constant twilight" shows that the Mayan ancestors arrived during the Ice Age. Heavy volcanism during the Ice Age is confirmed by the large concentrations of ash within the polar ice-packs. And lithic pictures on the Gateway to the Sun in Bolivia show South American Ice Age animals like the toxodon, the elephant, and the three-toed horse, therefore, for many reasons, we can safely say that much of the world was populated by sophisticated engineers and navigators during the Ice Age, while the oceans were cooling, as evidenced by the decreasing O18 isotope concentrations with depth in the polar ice-packs.

Attached is Egyptian sphinx that to me looks Japanese. Also an Egyptian pharaoh (Seti 2 )that has a slight Japanese look. Today there does not seem to be any strong relationship between Japan and Egypt. Thousands of years ago, it looks like things were different.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/seti2.htm

Originally Posted by tye

Attached is Egyptian sphinx that to me looks Japanese. Also an Egyptian pharaoh (Seti 2 )that has a slight Japanese look. Today there does not seem to be any strong relationship between Japan and Egypt. Thousands of years ago, it looks like things were different.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/seti2.htm

Tye, for the record: I live in Japan, and have lived here more than 10 years. The upper photograph of the pharaoh looks pretty typically Egyptian to me (archaeology was one of many things I studied in university, and I've read extensively since university, if it matters). The lower one, the Sphinx, on the other hand, is very nice find. I hadn't seen that one before. It looks less Japanese than Chinese, but even so, that's pretty remarkable. I'll attack your other post in a longer post, because I'd like to take it apart thoroughly.

Again, the sphinx is quite cool. Thank you.

Originally Posted by tye

Kirin Rex, I did not take the photo so I can say that it is definately from the Yonaguni underwater ruins. The information that I found seemed to include the photo as part of the Yonaguni site.

Likewise, I can't say 100% that it is NOT from Yonaguni, but I have the feeling that it is not, because my understanding is that there are NO substantial carvings at the Yonaguni site. My understanding is that there are things that MIGHT be petroglyphs, but nothing more than that, whereas your picture is DEFINITELY a carving.

Originally Posted by tye

I am surprised there is not more information online about the site. It looks like a couple of divers went down and took pictures and posted online information. Not alot of pictures so you only get one choice for the picture I have which has divers covering part of the face and there is no picture from the front of the face- only the side.

I, too am surprised that there are not more sites dealing with Yonaguni, because even IF it is natural (and I'm by no means convinced that it IS a naturally occurring formation), it is indisputably a magnificent site worthy of being photographed.

Originally Posted by tye

What I can say about the picture that I attached is that it does remind me of an Egyptian sphinx. If so and it is near Japan, did the Egyptians travel to the site and use the site that is underwater as a stone quarry to mine for stone for their temples, etc. before it went underwater- also for other civilizations. Did they have a civlization in the area before moving to Egypt, and other places such as South America, Summeria, Persia, Atlantis, etc.

I agree that it has sphinx-like aspects, or at least leonine. However, I suspect that this is a carving in the Mediterranean rather than something near Japan. I'm not aware of anything near Japan that looks like this. If you can provide a source link to the photo, that might help in backtracking it, but I strongly suspect it is not a photo of Yonaguni. I'm likewise fairly certain that the Egyptians did NOT travel to Japan as there is absolutely NO corroborating evidence. Weirdly enough, there is circumstantial evidence to suggest the ancient Egyptians MIGHT have visited Brazil. Another problem is that you're talking, in the same sentence about Egypt, South America, Sumeria, Persia and Atlantis. From where we are, they look pretty close, but in fact, they are vastly separated by, not only geography, but the major empires are separated by pretty extensive periods of time.

Originally Posted by tye

I have attached a photo from Egypt. Compare to the other photo from underwater ruin near Japan. The 2 pictures show a resemblance which would help show a connection between Egypt to the ancient Jomon civilization that has been submerged below water near Japan. The pictures and other facts such as the previous attached pictures (underwater ruin that slightly resembles a sphinx and the Egypt artifact that is a stone carving that I have described as possible story of a trip to the area which is now an underwater ruin near Japan and what looks like the underwater "sphinx" structure carved into the Egyptian artifact) could help show a connection between what would be the Jomon civilization near Japan and other ancient civilizations.

Again, I'm not convinced that the first picture is from Japan. Second, the Jomon period covers 14,000 years. Third, although I personally would like to think that the megaliths are man-made, it hasn't been established yet, and even if your first picture WERE from near Japan (though I doubt that it is), it would not necessarily mean that Egyptians had any contact.

Originally Posted by tye

Information from these websites:


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/niuserre.htm

http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Japan&#39...ter%20Ruins.htm

For anyone interested in more information about the Jomon connection to ancient civilizations, I found the below:

http://www.paranormalnews.com/articl...ArticleID=1046

Not sure what you're getting at in the tour Egypt link: carved stones are not unique to Egypt.
Your second link is dead.
Your final link has little to do with the Jomon, and even less to do with science. Sorry to be harsh, but it is not accurate, and it would take a very long post indeed to go through why it's completely wrong on many, many levels.

Originally Posted by tye

According to the computer generated Ice Age maps, about 25 million square miles of land were submerged by the rising sea-level because of the melting of the Ice Age ice-pack, and much of that land is now the floor of the shallow seas of southern Asia. To the east of India, Ice Age megaliths of the Jomon Civilization are found on the sea-floor between Japan and Taiwan (at Yonaguni, Kerama, Chatan, and more). These stone circles, tiered plazas, and step-pyramids of astronomical measuring significance are found on the sea-floor, as they are on land, thus proving that these buildings were of the same time period.

Sources? I'm not aware of the Jomon building step-pyramids or having knowledge of astronomy.

Originally Posted by tye

Are we to believe that these astronomically significant megaliths were built some 12,000 years ago at a time when mainstream earth-chronologists insist that the Ice Age ended and sea level resultantly rose about 100 meters to engulf these megaliths which are evidently and contradictorily of 2000 B.C. vintage? Are we to believe that the Hindu and Tamil recounts of history have been going on for 12,000 years, and that humanity developed no further and built no more for 7,000 years (from 10000 B.C. to 3000 B.C.) until advanced cultures reemerged in Egypt and Sumeria (Babylon)? Such a torturous manipulation of the evidences from the archaeology and the ancient legends is unnecessary with the realization that the Ice Age did in fact end much later than is popularly advertised.

Sorry, but I'm not convinced that evidence is being manipulated. What would be the motive?

Originally Posted by tye

Egypt and Sumeria were building their megaliths when the Indus, Tamil, and Jomon people were building theirs during the Ice Age. Heavy water erosion of the limestone walls in the Sphinx quarry and of the non-coated limestone pyramids evidence the heavy rainfall of the Ice Age climate in the middle latitudes around 2000 B.C., and submerged megaliths in the Mediterranean off the coast of Egypt at Sidi Gaber and Kinessa, off the coast of Lebanon at Yarmuta and Sidon, off Malta at Sliema, and at other locations known (and yet to be discovered), these all corroborate the end-of-the-Ice Age inundation of vast tracts of land with their megaliths of 2000 B.C. form and function.

Again, sources?

Originally Posted by tye

The tiered plazas and ramps of the submerged Jomon megaliths of offshore Japan bear a notable resemblance to the pre-Incan megaliths of the Gateway to the Sun at Tiahuanaco in Bolivia, and ancient Jomon pottery has been found in Peru, so it seems that the Jomon were navigators and astronomers who also settled in the New World during the Ice Age. The ancient Olmecs of Central America had a legend that they came from across the eastern sea, and the onshore megalithic statues of the Olmecs depict their African facial features, and their language closely resembles that of the Mande of Africa who speak a Lybyco-Berber tongue. The Toltecs and Mayans who sprang from the Olmecs built pyramids with astronomical orientations reflective of these peoples’ deep knowledge about the precession of the stars, so it seems that they also were astro-navigators who sailed the seas around 2000 B.C.

While it's possibly, in my mind and despite the words of the experts, that Yonaguni MIGHT be man-made, I think we have to hold to possibility that it might be natural, as hard as that is to believe.

Second, I'm not aware of ANY Jomon pottery found in Peru, I'm not aware of ANY evidence of Jomon crossing the ocean, or being astronomers, or settling in the New World. That said, if the Jomon peoples are related to the first asians who crossed in the Americas and because Native Americans, then likely they crossed by land rather than by sea. This IS possible.

Likewise, I studied the Olmecs, among others, and I don't recall any Olmec legends of coming across the sea. There is also no evidence that Toltecs and Mayans inherited astronomy from the Olmecs, nor that the Olmecs were 'astro-navigators who sailed the seas around 2000 BC.

Originally Posted by tye

The ancient history book Popol Vue of the Olmec-descended Mayans recalls the time when their seafaring ancient ancestors arrived from the east because of their sophisticated navigational skills as they "studied and measured the round face of the earth and the arch of the sky" in a time of "constant twilight" and "black rain." The obviously heavy volcanic ash content of this rain and the dense cloud-cover from which this rain came that blocked the sun to cause "constant twilight" shows that the Mayan ancestors arrived during the Ice Age. Heavy volcanism during the Ice Age is confirmed by the large concentrations of ash within the polar ice-packs. And lithic pictures on the Gateway to the Sun in Bolivia show South American Ice Age animals like the toxodon, the elephant, and the three-toed horse, therefore, for many reasons, we can safely say that much of the world was populated by sophisticated engineers and navigators during the Ice Age, while the oceans were cooling, as evidenced by the decreasing O18 isotope concentrations with depth in the polar ice-packs.

Again, sources?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popol_Vuh

Again, I'm not aware of Olmec myths of coming from the sea, but Olmec history is not my forte, so I could easily be wrong.

My analysis is a bit harsh, and I'm sorry, but I feel ... uncertain ... about some of the things here.

Originally Posted by tye

Attached is Egyptian sphinx that to me looks Japanese.

One might suppose that the architect, who drew the layout of the funerary complex of Kh‛jf-R‛ (Khafre), in the Giza Plateau, had the idea to carve an “image� from a natural rock, below the level where the ramp leading to the king’s pyramid was built. When the workers finished carving the rock mass into the human-faced lion, they make it look like the King-Pharaoh and recognized it as Ḥr-m-3ḫt – that is Horus (rising) in the horizon. Then this natural formation was called P3-Sḫn-‛nḫ - the powerful living image – which translated in Greek gave us “sphinx�. In other words, the light, coming from the bowels of the Earth, incarnated itself into the face of Pharaoh, wearing on his head the nms, a kind of head cloth worn to hide a wig.

By the way, to my own knowledge, Khafre was not of Japanese origin, but who knows? lol

Originally Posted by tye

Egyptian pharaoh (Seti 2) that has a slight Japanese look.

Eldest son of Merenptah, Wsr-ḫprw-R‛ (Seti II, or Sethi-Merenptah), immediately succeeded his father after a four-year period that is still a historical mystery. During this short period power was taken by Amenmeses, a usurper who claimed the kingship and acquired recognition in Upper Egypt. Whether it was a plot, a dynastic intrigue between two branches of Ramses II’s family, an adventurous gamble of a Theban vizier, or a rebellion, history is mute on that point. Fact is Seti II retook the throne and reigned for another 6 years. Upon his death, Seti II was succeeded by Siptah, who in turn was succeeded by Seti II's widow, Queen Tausert. But the troubled times went on, and the Pharaonic power (ideally embodied by his grandfather) was again undermined by prolonged, and bitter rivalry among dynastic members.

Again, I doubt Seti II was of Japanese descent. In dubio pro reo – so let’s take a wait-and-see attitude…