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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeno View Post
    Read up about their calendars, Mikekle. It shows they're not that intelligent with mathematics.
    The first 3 calendars were very inaccurate...
    I don't understand what fuels the suggestion that they knew more than we know.
    Have you never heard of Chichen Itza? That particular calendar IS extremely precise, moreso than the Gregorian most of us use today.

    I'd like to propose a what if. What if this second star or planet (whatever you want to call it) is composed entirely of dark matter and that is the reason we can't see it?
    life as we know it is impossible on venus, but life as we don't know it could be anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-Wurx View Post
    Have you never heard of Chichen Itza? That particular calendar IS extremely precise, moreso than the Gregorian most of us use today.

    I'd like to propose a what if. What if this second star or planet (whatever you want to call it) is composed entirely of dark matter and that is the reason we can't see it?
    The only reason it's precise is because the civilization had an ego problem. The wanted a calendar so large it could fit their entire civilizations history onto a single one.
    I don't really see how it's more precise than our own. Especially since the orbital period has changed since their time. (I think we have a few more leap seconds now, right?)

    It's an interesting idea, K, but, whilst we couldn't see it optically, we'd be able to see the effects of it's gravitational pull, since dark matter appears to be very, very heavy.
    So we'd be able to detect it still, especially in the Oort belt, as we'd see an unusual concentration of the asteroids.
    There's a lot we don't know about that region of space though. Like there is a lot of space we don't know about.
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    Astronomers Find Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto - Planet X

    posted earlier, there is something else egregiously wrong with it, aside from the name they ascribe to the alleged brown dwarf in the outer solar system.

    Its orbit is shown to be about empty space. The ellipse formed by the orbit of a body must have at one of its foci a massive body, or else you do not get an orbit. Supposing such a planet or brown dwarf star did exist in that location, then its orbit would have to encompass the inner solar system.

    With regards to the video in the first post in the thread, it reiterates the same tiresome falsehood I have heard many times from doomsday theorists. Namely that when the science sections of mainstream media outlets discuss outer solar system objects they are talking about "Nibiru". Rest assured that they are never talking about any object imbued with the characteristics that doomsayers ascribe to "Nibiru".

    Speaking of Nibiru/Planet X, where is it? Could it even conceivably still be in the outer solar system?

    Being as we are a mere 21 months away from doomsday, an object at Neptune's distance from the sun would need to have the component of its velocity radially inward averaging 170,000 miles per hour over its journey in order to make it to the distance of the earth's orbit from the sun in time. However, assuming that the impetus for its arrival is the sun's gravity then its speed is bounded at all points in its trajectory by the gravitational escape velocity. What this means is that it can average no more than 30,000 mph throughout such a journey by my calculation, assuming its velocity is directed only radially inward, which is a best-case scenario (and with a probability of zero) in order to minimize its time of transit. So it will take more than five times too long to get here.

    Is it within the orbit of Neptune? If it is, where is it in the sky? Why can we not see it?

    So, if you believe in Planet X causing the 2012 doomsday event, you must believe that either physics is wrong, or that there is no naturalistic explanation for Nibiru's passage through the solar system, and you must instead appeal to some kind of supernatural agency. In either case, it is pretentious to call Nibiru a "brown dwarf" or indeed to make any reference to science at all in explaining the supposed event.


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