Thread: The Warning of judgment for taking the mark of the beast

A political device developed of necesity and expediency.
Actions by god not needed.
Thats how I see it.

Weapons or empires, nothing is as powerful as an idea.
Only an idea can change minds.

Increadable how powerful this one has become, and more so the diverse interpretations it has been given.

Originally Posted by bart5050

A political device developed of necesity and expediency.
Actions by god not needed.
Thats how I see it.

Weapons or empires, nothing is as powerful as an idea.
Only an idea can change minds.

Increadable how powerful this one has become, and more so the diverse interpretations it has been given.

I completely agree with you. Religion as it were and as it is has always been a political ploy to subdue denizens of whatever government was/is in power.

Powerful this one has become indeed. But hopefully, at the rate of how many people are becoming atheists and agnostics here in the U.S, in a few generations' time we'll finally move into what the Founding Fathers wanted: a secular order based upon the rational and verifiable ideals of Science and Reason. Of course there's the off-shot chance that if we do move into that phase of evolution that perhaps it too will become a religion....if that's the case I nominate Feynman for Messiah lol

Originally Posted by Eschat

so if something leaves you or some type of manifestation occurs that causes you more peace and freedom within 6 hours of reading this, then to keep that peace and to keep them from returning, then you must do two things. Tell someone here what happened related to this prayer if it happens within 6 hours of reading this and then ask Jesus Christ to restore you into his power and that this time he would give you more understanding. If the Holy Spirit does nothing or does it but does it after the 6 hour mark, such as 6 hours and 1 min, then you do not have to say anything here.

Nothing's happened yet..

Originally Posted by Eschat

I have a powerful witness (hands burning, peace increasing) that he intends to do something. By the way Flight God knows that everyone here would believe you if you told them what he had done for you .

He hasn't done anything.. Besides, demons don't torment me.

Originally Posted by Eschat

He does it that way to begin dealing with the logic of the person especially if they have not yet had a supernatural experience before.

Well, I do have experience in that field at least lol

Originally Posted by unknown55

I completely agree with you. Religion as it were and as it is has always been a political ploy to subdue denizens of whatever government was/is in power.

Powerful this one has become indeed. But hopefully, at the rate of how many people are becoming atheists and agnostics here in the U.S, in a few generations' time we'll finally move into what the Founding Fathers wanted: a secular order based upon the rational and verifiable ideals of Science and Reason. Of course there's the off-shot chance that if we do move into that phase of evolution that perhaps it too will become a religion....if that's the case I nominate Feynman for Messiah lol

We could use a Feynman, and a few Ben Franklins as well right now.

It is also increadable how powerfully an idea can lock ones mind, and leave them incapable of ever changing.
One of the tenents of science is to update truths when better evidence is revealed.

They already brainwashed people into getting social security number, then they changed DL numbers from your social # to a totally separate number now, gee, I wonder why they always seem to want to attach a number to each of us?? They didnt do this in Gods time, and Im sure God would NOT want us to accept ANY kind of 'number' or mark, which could be the same thing..number/mark...just saying, a mark could easily be a number, but if this is the case, they have everyone in the US and many abroad up shit creek! but God did say only a few people would make it to heaven. Maybe we need a group that fights to get rid of any type of numbers for the people?? A court of law could not deny that since it would be freedom of religion, that is if you believe any type of number is against Gods will. I guess they would just delete your SS number, so in the system, it would be like you never existed, but then you couldnt work, get licenses, etc. but again, they couldnt deny you any of this if your beliefs went against numbers/marks.

Always some warning from god to keep civalization from advancing.
A way to keep god as the boss.
God fears that man might advance enought to actually get out from under his thumb.
It is a good thing we have a legal system instead of gods laws now.
If not, the Inquisition might come back and start murdering science again.

Gods days are numbered, eventually he is going to be dead.
Civalization will march on no matter how much religious pain the faithful will inflict on it.
Gods fate was sealed when he got kicked out of the court room.

Originally Posted by unknown55

I don't remember the name of the Nat Geo documentary but they talked about alternative explanations for the origins of Jesus and Christianity in general. One of them was a Greek healer by the name of Apollonius of Tyana. He was a Pythagorean who performed 'miracles,' born around the time of Jesus, traveled to India, etc.:
Apollonius of Tyana
Summary of Philostratus' Life of Apollonius

On his travels to India and the accuracy/verifiability of the Damis source which describes Apollonius' journeys:
Apollonius of Tyana


There's plenty more about him out there but I'll just link the Wiki page for a good overview of who he was:
Apollonius of Tyana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems to me that any group or anyone (specifically Constantine and company), over the course of a few centuries (roughly 3 considering the First Council of Nicaea and declaration of Christianity as an official religion by Constantine was in 325), could twist the teachings of someone such as Apollonius and mold it together with a persona, whether existent or non-existent, of the East (i.e. Jesus of Nazareth) in order to subdue and make Rome easier to swallow for the populace of the Eastern Roman Empire. It's all politics I tells ya.......

With utmost respect to those of religious beliefs to the contrary I am with you and Bravo on this one for the well stated reasons above.

God also said after he made man, something along the lines of, " man will be like us" I found the term 'like us' odd, leading me to believe there may be multiple beings or Gods, us is definitely a plural word so that is more than 1???? Thats always bugged me, God has said some other odd things as well, but cant think of them at the moment. Im sure someone else on here can think of some though...

Originally Posted by mikekle

God also said after he made man, something along the lines of, " man will be like us" I found the term 'like us' odd, leading me to believe there may be multiple beings or Gods, us is definitely a plural word so that is more than 1???? Thats always bugged me, God has said some other odd things as well, but cant think of them at the moment. Im sure someone else on here can think of some though...

Hi Mike,

I needed an excuse to post a new video but I did not want to start a new thread. Below in the first video John Scott of the 666 calculator channel on You Tube created a video a view months back. He briefly discusses your point where God says let us create man in our own image. In the video below if you move the time line of the video forward to 33:29 you will hear him mention the same point you brought up here. Now he is discussing this in the light of another mysterious person that he calls sister wisdom from proverbs 7:4. He also claims this person "sister wisdom" is the being that visited George Washington and gave him a vision. To have the whole thing in context regarding the plural usage and sister wisdom I would watch from 32:46 - 34:10. For the related portion about Jesus being God listen from 23:30 - 27:44 I'm not sure if you are that intrested or not but I thought I offer you this additional information.



33:29 (for context 32:46 - 34:10) For Godhead portion: 23:30 - 27:44

This is a copy of John Scott info on Sister Wisdom in relationship to George Washington's vision

To understand this vision from a Biblical perspective you need to understand a few scriptures.

To start read Proverbs 7:4


Proverbs 7:4 Say to wisdom, "You are my sister," And call understanding your intimate friend.

The second portion that needs to be understood is that Sister Wisdom is also a real person in Jesus with great delegated authority. You can love her, but she will not allow you to worship her, or allow any form or image to be made of her. This person is not Mary and she is older than anything else in the created universe. She can also take a physical form when she chooses to do so. The quickest way to cause her to have displeasure in you is to allow any glory or praise to be directed away from Jesus Christ because of her. This my friend is the last female in the universe you would ever want angry with you. So be sure you praise God the Father the Lord Jesus Christ, or she will be very displeased with you. I am being quite serious, so please take heed.


Many might disagree with my understanding of Proverbs 7:4 and Proverbs 8:22-36 as shown below.

In verse 22 shown below most would say that this scripture is to be understood as an allegory only. They might argue that wisdom as discussed in the scripture below is not a literal person, but rather a manifestation of the spirit only. I say rather it is literal because she herself states she had a beginning. It also states she was created, which means there was a time she did not exist. Since sister wisdom has many attributes of God and of Jesus some have equated her with possibly being Jesus in a pre-incarnated form. Since real believers know Jesus is Lord and the Word, then we know that this created being cannot be Jesus Christ. The reason is simple because she herself states she was created by the Lord. Created by who? Created by the creator. You cannot be the creator and the created at the same time. In John 1 it states in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. All things were made by him, and apart from him nothing was made that was made. We know the Word is Jesus.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him not any thing was made that was made.

The woman who visited George Washington in this account below was Sister Wisdom of Proverbs 7:4 who took a physical form. The audible voice George Washington heard during this visitation was the Holy Spirit of God.

Proverbs 8:22-36

Here is the scripture that states sister Wisdom is a created being.

Does not wisdom call, does not understanding raise her voice? ... I wisdom dwell in prudence, and I find knowledge and discretion...The LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old. Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth. When there were no depths I was brought forth, when there were no springs abounding with water. Before the mountains had been shaped, before the hills, I was brought forth; before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world. When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him, like a master workman; and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always, rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the sons of men. And now, my sons, listen to me: happy are those who keep my ways. Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it. Happy is the man who listens to me, watching daily at my gates, waiting beside my doors. For he who finds me finds life and obtains favor from the LORD; but he who misses me injures himself; all who hate me love death.

George Washington's Vision -
/ History

In the National Tribune, 1880, an article appeared giving an account of the "Vision of Washington" at Valley Forge. The account was told by a gentleman named Anthony Sherman, who supposedly was at Valley Forge during the winter of 1777-78. The story has been published several times.

This is written in Colonial English, and no corrections have been made...

Anthony Sherman wrote:

You doubtless heard the story of Washington's going to the thicket to pray in secret for aid and comfort from God, the interposition of whose Divine Providence brought us safely through the darkest days of tribulation. One day, I remember it well, when the chilly winds whistled through the leafless trees, though the sky was cloudless and the sun shown brightly, he remained in his quarters nearly all the afternoon alone. When he came out, I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual. There seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance. Returning just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone commanded, related the event that occurred that day.

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"George Washington's Vision" and the visitation

This afternoon, as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of her presence. A second, a third and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes.

By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to address her, but my tongue had become useless, as though it had become paralyzed.

A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitor. Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed as if it had become filled with sensations, and luminous. Everything about me seemed to rarefy, the mysterious visitor herself becoming more airy and yet more distinct to my sight than before. I now began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations which I have sometimes imagined accompany dissolution. I did not think, I did not reason, I did not move; all were alike impossible. I was only conscious of gazing fixedly, vacantly at my companion.

Presently I heard a voice saying, `Son of the Republic, look and learn,' while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly, I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a stranger scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world - Europe, Asia, Africa and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific.

"Son of the Republic," said the same mysterious voice as before, "look and learn." At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being, like an angel, standing or rather floating in mid-air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left hand he cast some on Europe. Immediately a cloud raised from these countries, and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.

A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows in sank from view. A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, "Son of the Republic, look and learn," I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was dotted with them.

Again, I heard the mysterious voice say, "Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn." At this the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa I saw an ill omened specter approach our land. It flitted slowly over every town and city of the latter. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued looking I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word "Union," bearing the American flag which he placed between the divided nation, and said, "Remember ye are brethren." Instantly, the inhabitants, casting from them their weapons became friends once more, and united around the National Standard.

"And again I heard the mysterious voice saying "Son of the Republic, look and learn." At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia and Africa. Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene: From each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined into one. Throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America. (My Commentary Insert: This is China in my opinion) Our country was enveloped in this volume of cloud, and I saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities that I beheld springing up.

As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of sword, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I heard again the mysterious voice saying, "Son of the Republic, look and learn" When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long and fearful blast. "Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word Union, and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were will near overcome, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle.

Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict, I heard the mysterious voice saying, "Son of the Republic, look and learn." As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious!

Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice: "While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last." And taking from his brow the crown on which blazoned the word "Union," he placed it upon the Standard while the people, kneeling down, said, "Amen."

The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, "Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and the Union." With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown to me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States.


Bible Prophecy and George Washington's Vision. Real end time prophecy that is happening in your generation.