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    Question Scientists, telescope hunt massive hidden object in space

    You know how you sometimes can sense that something is present even though you can't see it? Well, astronomers are getting that feeling about a giant, hidden object in space.

    And when we say giant, we mean GIANT.

    Evidence is mounting that either a brown dwarf star or a gas giant planet is lurking at the outermost reaches of our solar system, far beyond Pluto. The theoretical object, dubbed Tyche, is estimated to be four times the size of Jupiter and 15,000 times farther from the sun than Earth, according to a story in the British paper The Independent.

    Astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire from the University of Louisiana at Lafayette think data from NASA's infrared space telescope WISE will confirm Tyche's existence and location within two years.

    The presence of such a massive object in the solar system's far-flung Oort Cloud could explain a barrage of comets from an unexpected direction, according to a December article at Space.com.

    Its 27 million-year orbit could also explain a pattern of mass extinctions on Earth, scientists say.

    Brown dwarfs are cold "failed" stars; their dimness and lack of heat radiation can make them hard to detect. Gas giants are huge planets - like Saturn, Jupiter and Neptune - that are made up of gases and may lack a solid surface like Earth's.

    Whitmire told The Independent that Tyche will probably be composed of hydrogen and helium and have colorful spots, bands and clouds like Jupiter.

    "You'd also expect it to have moons," he said. "All the outer planets have them."

    Tyche was first hypothesized in 1984 as Nemesis, a dark companion star to the sun. It's been the subject of astronomical research and debate ever since. In July, another Space.com article said the celestial evidence suggests Tyche could not possibly exist.

    To distinguish it from the Nemesis star theory, Matese and Whitmire are calling their object Tyche, after the good sister of the goddess Nemesis in Greek mythology.

    Their research is published in Icarus, the International Journal of Solar System Studies.
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    Umm very interesting...

    Great find Rex .

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    These two have been looking for a long time.
    So far their search has come up empty.
    I don't know of any other researchers who support their theory.
    Most have all but ruled out the possibility that it exists.
    The latest NASA infrared sky survey was pretty comprehensive.
    It is probobly their last shot at proving their theory.

    My bet is, they will not find it in the infrared data because it isn't there.
    Whatever works, use it.

    A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
    If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.

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    i know my good friend scott hasty would say, "no gravitational evidence for an object that large has been discovered."
    in other words - we'd know it is there even if we can't see it based on the massive gravitational effects it would have on the solar system - even if it is that far away.
    (scott - sorry if i paraphrased or misinterpreted you on other posts of similar subject matter)
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    Yes, John has been crying over his theory for over 12 years now. And good luck to him in proving it. As it stands now, it's just some dudes' idea with literally zero evidence (as is usual with this subject). But at least he is going about proving it the right way.
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    sometimes we just get "feelings" about things......always best to err on the side of caution


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