were crops circles part of a plan (the ufo phenomenon) to expand the collective and individual human consciousness from the narrow scientific materialism of the first half of the twentieth century to the much more open attitude of today?
John Michell author of "the Crop Circle Enigma" says that crop circles have meaning and that the meaning is to be found in the way people are affected by them. Carl Jung discerned that the meaning of ufos as agents and portents of changes in human thought patterns, and that function has been clearly inherited by crop circles.

Very intersting idea that I am sure will be studied by someone out there.

The question of whether crop circles are constructed by a superior form of intelligence, in my opinion, is a self defining one. Unlike other areas of paranormal activity, the crop circle phenomena is the only one that offers such a vast arena of physical evidence that eagerly invites the scientific community to attest to its legitamacy.

In my opinion, if, after studying all the research on the subject, a person is not convinced in the other worldly nature of this activity, it is not likely they will believe in the other worldly nature of any of the others.

To the believer it is the touchstone, to the non-believer it is an annoyance.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread...2547#post272547
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Thats so true. If you don't belive in crop circles you probably don't belive in Aliens or UFO's either.

To the believer it is the touchstone, to the non-believer it is an annoyance.

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that is very interesting. But I think while it is an annoyance to the non-believer, history has shown that if annoyed enough the non-believer becomes acceptant.

If what you say is true then you must visit South Carolina. We have swarms of gnats, sand fleas and mosquitos who would just love to meet you!
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though i wasn't being literal we got plenty of mesquitos in kentucky to but I've become acceptant and trust me i get bites more than anybody.

As a side note for mosquito bites... try taking B vitamins daily. Mosquitos seem to hate the taste of that in your blood. Also: if you smoke tobacco, quit. Smoking reduces B vit's in your system.

b vitamins eh? no i dont smoke tobacco that stuff is nasty. Anyway i believe that something whether it be humans or aliens guided the creation of crop circle with the intent to convey a message and or broaden our horizons.

Probably both. I would say 65% are Alien and 35% are fakes.

The thing is the fakes look fake if you know what i'm saying they never seem to have the same smoothness of curves straightness of lines what im trying to say is you can tell when they've been human made .

Boy that is one hell of a sweeping genralazation....


I for one am open to the possibilities that aliens could have visited. I am more open that alien civilizations exist in the universe....

I am not so sure about crop circles, I just don't see any evidence showing that they could be extraterrestrial in nature the evidence I have seen seems to point more to us then them making them.

he did use the word probably.

Which means he does not know for sure either way, yet.

Someone should set up a crop circle competition, where crop circle makers can make their art and see which one wins. Maybe place a time limit (like one night). And a prize. Televised, of course, in a preditermined field.

If nobody of the, say, 100 applicants can give us something as impressive as the crop circles we see, then maybe its a phenomena.

Off topic but is you compition just 1 person or more people a team? I forgot where I heard it from but I heard that the less complex crop circles are the ones made by ETI and the complex ones are made by our own little artist.

Dear Senhuan,

According to a program I saw on 'Sightings' your idea of a crop circle competition has been tried. A large cash prize was offered to anyone who could form a crop circle which contained the various characteristics found only in the 'genuine' formations. For an excellent listing of those characteristics read this:

http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17339

To my knowledge none of the contestants were able to claim the prize. If anyone was able to claim the prize they would have become a media sensation! They would have gained instant fame and fortune! Their name(s) would have become common knowledge almost overnight.

To my knowledge no serious crop circle researcher has ever been fooled by any man-made formation. From what I understand it is quite easy to tell the differences between the 'real formations' and the man-made ones. For a stunningly visual look at the 'real' McCoy see:

http://theconversation.org/booklet2.html
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I saw something on the discovery or history channel forgot which one but they had some college students and a teacher try to make a "real" crop circle over night. They sprayed radio active stuff to bend the stalks and everything and yet with like 5 people they couldnt make a good crop circle. They said to make a "real" one that you would have to spend a lot of money to get to be radio active to bend the stalks and you would need s mob of people to do it.

Dear His Ride2,

I am familiar with the Discovery program you described. I have a copy of it and studied it closely when it first aired. The students succeeded in making a 'decent' formation although it was very simple and basic in design. The problem came when they needed to cover the area with 'magnetite' in the time they had remaining.

With time growing short they resorted to using a kind of flame throwing device which melted the metal and then shot it out in a spray over the area. The machine they used threw out a tremendous amount of light. Something this bright, if used in a 'real' formation could easily have been seen by any passersby. What is the point in using such a device to try to convince researchers of its genuineness when the formation lacks all of the other key elements found in the real thing?

As many of the 'genuine' crop circles are located near roads and streets the use of such a device could not have gone undetected and yet no one has claimed to have seen such a light in the area during the nights when the numerous genuine formations have been created.

Also, the students did not duplicate any of the 'mysterious' elements of the 'real' formations i.e. heating of the plants, singeing of the tips, bending of the stalks, exploding of the nodes, genetic changing of the seeds, cellular integration of the plant, the alteration of the growth pattern of the plants etc. as is found in the 'genuine' crop circle formations.

In their planning stage the students did not even acknowledge let alone attempt to duplicate any of the aforementioned scientifically acknowledged aspects of this phenomenon. The program to me was actually quite laughable. It was produced specifically for those people who want to see any evidence which helps them to hold on to their basic beliefs about Reality.
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Some crop circles are definely made by humans, some are not. They could be used to expand our consciousness.