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> the evidence against ufo's and aliens., do they come from space at all?
macdaddy
post Apr 11 2008, 01:49 PM
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considering the vast distances involved, i wonder if aliens would bother travelling all that way to stick a probe up your jacksee,kill your cows,and fly like lunatics on acid around the planet.my guss is they have always been here,under the sea and in the mountains.we were made to work the surface.we know more about space travel than deep sea travel,although the earth is covered mostly with oceans.
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post Apr 11 2008, 01:49 PM
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post Apr 11 2008, 05:36 PM
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But then that is a human viewpoint with vastly limited knowledge in comparence to them.
Those distances between the stars are vast to us, to them it may be a simple as jumping in and a few hours trip and their here.


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post Apr 12 2008, 04:54 AM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Apr 12 2008, 12:26 AM) *
But then that is a human viewpoint with vastly limited knowledge in comparence to them.
Those distances between the stars are vast to us, to them it may be a simple as jumping in and a few hours trip and their here.

the nearest star,alpha centuri - 4.2 light years.travelled at the same speed that we travelled to moon,would take 100,000 years.these so called aliens would have to travel at the speed of light or beyond,which einstein said to travel at that speed it would have infinate mass,which in turn would go nowhere.i don't believe we are being visited by space aliens,most likely is interdimensional beings,maybe able to skip through dimensions,like changing channel.NOT ALL ALEINS COME FROM SPACE! rolleyessmileyanim.gif

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post Apr 12 2008, 08:35 AM
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No but what if they can come at the speed of light or something that comes near to it .


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post Apr 12 2008, 03:17 PM
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Einstein did not know everything and there may be a number of ways to far exceed the speed of light by using other physical laws to overcome infinite mass.

Flaw . Believing that nothing can defy our present knowledge & understanding of something.
Why is it that people just can not comprehend knowledge great enough to allow things such as greater than light speed. Isn't the obvious, obvious enough? Occupants have told numerous individuals of places they are from here in our dimension & galaxy. Thus they do exceed the speed of light in getting here.

I do believe that there are some that come from other universes as well. This has been indicated in more than a few cases.


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post Apr 14 2008, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Apr 12 2008, 10:07 PM) *
Einstein did not know everything and there may be a number of ways to far exceed the speed of light by using other physical laws to overcome infinite mass.

Flaw . Believing that nothing can defy our present knowledge & understanding of something.
Why is it that people just can not comprehend knowledge great enough to allow things such as greater than light speed. Isn't the obvious obvious enough? Occupants have told numerous individuals of places they are from here in our dimension & galaxy. Thus they do exceed the speed of light in getting here.

I do believe that there are some that come from other universes as well. This has been indicated in more than a few cases.

yes,but these so called individuals seem to forget to tell us how they do it.they may provide us with advancements,but why crawl if you can get up and run sraight away?
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post Apr 20 2008, 11:48 AM
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Our perception of distance may be flawed, we certainly don't know everything. Maybe its not about speed at all.
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post Apr 21 2008, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE (a vorpal bunny @ Apr 20 2008, 06:38 PM) *
Our perception of distance may be flawed, we certainly don't know everything. Maybe its not about speed at all.

VP you may be right, i think our understanding of time has something to do with it to.
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post Jun 7 2008, 01:34 AM
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Sorry to bump a month and a half old topic but scientists have already proven you can go faster then the speed of light. Or there is the theory that there is a worm hole between dimensions or universes which would make traveling much faster for advanced alien species.
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post Jun 7 2008, 03:04 AM
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yes,but you would need an infinite amount of energy.
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post Jun 7 2008, 05:00 AM
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Although this topic has wondered, the general scientific community still agrees that faster than light travel cannot occur. Although scientists are still trying to crack a way through physics to do so. Who know's what wierd loophole the universe has for that. But I believe it may be our need to travel faster than light that might truely fuel this fire than the likelihood of it being possible. Having said that, the sci-fi always seems to be just 50 years behind the future.
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post Jun 7 2008, 06:16 AM
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yes, and the gap is closing.
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post Jun 7 2008, 07:22 AM
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Even with man's "limited" knowledge of the physics and technology, we do have theories on how to fold space and time. Vast space travel I believe is possible. The only problem I see is you have to know where you want to go in order to get there. A randome fold can put you in the center of a star. That wouldn't be good.


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post Jun 7 2008, 08:18 AM
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Historicly it has been shown that every technology developed has an example of demonstrated in nature. There are no known examples of the very speculative bending or folding of space. But we havn't been able to look much further than our local neighborhood in more than a general remote view either, so it cannot be ruled out.

There was a paper that suggested that if the jet of escaping matter from a black hole were viewed from an acute angle it would give the illusion of super luminal velocity. Sn1987A galaxy demonstrates this in a spectacular way giving every appearence of accelerating mass to super luminal velocities.

What is contradictory in this event is that the incedence angle is far greater than the theory of illusion can account for. This suggest the faster than light matter stream might in fact be super luminal and not just an illusion. If this proves to be the case then relativity is busted as being the speed limit of matter in all cases. Special cases might arise where exotic matter or energy can indeed accelerate mass beyond light speed.

Just as Newtonian physics had to be modified by relativity for certain conditions it might be found that relativity no longer holds true in proximity to exotic matter. If this were the case then the concept that there is no escape vector from a black hole may not be true for all forms of matter.

This would suggest that such escaping dark property matter would be the driving force propelling the bosa nova jet of a black hole. This would be a far better explenation for the extreme distance such jets project into space than the concept that mass spirals into the event horizon so fast that some of it spirals out strictly due to synchronistic focus.

This would be an example in nature of faster than light velocities. This is my own interpretation of the phenomina that main stream science soundly rejects. However ther is no proof that the generally accepted explenation is correct either, so I believe my model is just as viable as any other at this point.

The door has not been firmly closed on faster than light travel and may yet be opened wide by a better understanding of exotic matter.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
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post Jun 7 2008, 09:28 AM
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They've been able to "transport" particles instantly by using equipment based on the math of string theory. I'm not talking faster than light travel. I'm talking about instant travel.


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post Jun 7 2008, 09:55 AM
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There are a lot of theories on the place from where presumably the alien ones come, but some absolute proof doesn't exist. Some affirm that the alien ones originate from other planets, others suggest from other dimensions. The idea that the beings Ufos are deriving travellers of the time in real. During their permanence on an UFO in 1961, Betty Hill declares to have seen a three-dimensional map of a heap of stars. Subsequently, Betty has redrawn the stellar map under hypnosis and, after some years, Marjorie Fish, a teacher of Ohio, in the reconstruction of different systems of stars known in our section of the galaxy, she is found to compare the stellar map of Betty Hill with the systems from him classified. Well, results a connection and Fish of he concluded that the two greater stars pointed out by Hill were in reality the binary stars Zeta Reticulum I and II. And' interesting to notice that these stars are a lot similar to the sun and they would be able therefore easily to have planets similar to the earth around them, planets that could entertain the intelligent life


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post Jun 7 2008, 10:07 AM
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Didn't Einstein say that Time and Space were interlinked, or something like that?
If that is so, then maybe Aliens have learned how to "bend Time and Space" thus removing the need to travel faster than light. 186,000 miles per second is pretty fast isn't it. I can't get my car to go anywhere near that. That last piece, for the po-faced fuckers on here, was a little bit of joviality thrown in.
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post Jun 10 2008, 03:24 PM
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The way most aliens travel faster than light is by using a plasma field around our ships which cencels the mass, gravity and inertia inside the plasma bubble (making the ship's mass=0), as a result, we can travel at many thousands of times the speed of light.
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post Jun 11 2008, 12:53 AM
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Something I want to throw in..

Ok.. What about constricting time and space in front of there ship and expanding it behind it? Thus acting like the barrel of a gun,also no fuel would be needed...i think... in that way would speed=mass cancel out faster than light travel?



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post Jun 22 2008, 01:24 PM
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you still need energy nothing moves without it,even in nature.
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