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post Apr 22 2005, 06:38 PM
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well I'll start it off small.
Hypnosis is a highly suggestible state of mind.
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Hypnosis
1. An artificially induced altered state of consciousness, characterized by heightened suggestibility and receptivity to direction.
2. Hypnotism.
3. A sleep like condition.

so, you ask someone their earliest memory, and they will reply with it... which will be a memory in history class of Egypt... and as with suggestion and dream states the mind will create the rest around it, fill in the blanks.
hypnosis 101
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post Apr 24 2005, 11:43 AM
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wasn't there a mention of some sort of ripping? just say if you don't feel like discussing it at the present time, but if you feel differently then I would like to hear you stand point?
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:03 PM
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lol sorry SRI! I've been busy and just now seen this...good deal.

First explain this somewhat please...

which will be a memory in history class of Egypt
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:14 PM
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the memory with the earliest date in your mind.
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:16 PM
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I'm still not clear...are you saying that your earliest memory would be a day in history class or smething you read about Egypt out of a history book. :confused:
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:18 PM
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the earliest memory in you head is that of Egypt, that you read in a history book in class, yes... of course it would be different for everyone.
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:22 PM
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ok...well brush that aside for a minute...SRI do you think that the hypnotee gives up control to the hypnotist? In other words, do you think the hypnotist can make the hypnotee cluck like a chicken?
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:26 PM
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no they can't tell you what to do, they can only suggest you in that direction. no matter how hard they try they can't make you do something that you wouldn't do anyway.
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:30 PM
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exactly...nor can they make you recall something that you do not wish to recall. Now what is your premise against hypnosis? I cant argue against it if I dont know. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 24 2005, 12:54 PM
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that hypnosis is unreliable, at best, for memory recall.
under hypnosis, you ask someone what last christmas was like and they will tell you...... you ask someone what next christmas was like and hey presto... they tell you?!
and people go into regression sessions in the purpose of remembering, wether the memories be accurate or not......
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post Apr 24 2005, 01:09 PM
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Stand alone...it has no other value except enlightenment or healing..however, like any memory recall, whether facilitated by hypnosis or just someone asking you what you did last night...it goes no further without external supportive evidence. Sadly some early childhood memories can be recalled that substantiate subjective or disconnected feelings of 'abuse' but without external evidence, these memories are either discounted and the abuse goes unremediated or they are responsible for making false claims. A good therapist will not 'lead' an individual in creating memories.

Whereas past life regression is concerned...again some external evidence is necessary to confirm.
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post Apr 24 2005, 01:13 PM
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see that is the key word
a good therapist.....

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post Apr 24 2005, 01:28 PM
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Goddess..the danger comes from...and it is what I think SRI is alluding to...individuals who have disconnected feelings of abuse or abduction or anything traumatic who then go to a hypnotist to recall the memories surrounding the feelings...in other words, to seek out the memories which would substantiate the feelings...given that hypnosis is unreliable in this aspect because it is quite possible that the mind will manufacture memories to substantiate the feelings...and then those memories may not be accurate and thus the individual does not get to the real cause of the feelings...in other words, the true memory given rise to the feelings is replaced by a false memory...and no healing of Self occurs. In this case, it is of the upmost importance to find external evidence to support the truth of the memory before any further exploration down that path occurs.

However, hypnosis is extremely valuable to the individual which knows already that a traumatic event has occurred and seeks the help of the hypnotist in recalling the event...in this case, no amount of suggestion otherwise from the hypnotist will lead a hypnotee to confabulate a memory..the mind will recall and reject anything not true to the event.
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post Apr 24 2005, 01:37 PM
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actually even a good therapist who is not leading the person hypnotized will still often supply false results... especially if you want to recall a memory as someone on here was recently trying self-hypnosis to do so. in these cases the mind already has its opinion on the matter, and so no matter who hypnotizes you you will still only recall what you want and think you should.
and it has already been shown that memories can be falsified on a fully conscious person, and in a hypnotic state they are even more susceptible to these suggestions. it doesn't take a skilled person to plant a memory in your head because all they need is the idea and your mind will complete it.
it has use with regression because you can force a mind to relive moments, thats why it can be dangerous, because you can lead a person back into the events that consciously they repress.
the problem comes with not needing to be lead. the mind wants answers, it want interaction, and as I said if you ask what next christmas was like... it will answer.
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post Apr 24 2005, 02:00 PM
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and it has already been shown that memories can be falsified on a fully conscious person, and in a hypnotic state they are even more susceptible to these suggestions. it doesn't take a skilled person to plant a memory in your head because all they need is the idea and your mind will complete it


please show...
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post Apr 24 2005, 03:01 PM
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may take me a while but a university did a experiment where they doctored some photos showing people in an air ballon, they then showed these to the people that where in the photo. a week later they showed these pictures to the people again and they recounted the entire event of their young ballon ride that never happened...... I'll try but I'm not sure if I can find it?
eye witness testimonies can't be used as the sole means of conviction.
there was a photo of a white man holding a knife on a black man, a week later people remember a black man holding a knife on a white man.
people have remember a red car when it was actually blue.
learnt all these in psychology class...
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post Apr 24 2005, 03:12 PM
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http://pages.slc.edu/~ebj/IM_97/Lecture7/L7.html
same thing different page
http://www.s-cool.co.uk/topic_quicklearn.a...bs=&ebl=&elc=13
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post Apr 24 2005, 03:17 PM
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http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/memory.htm
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post Apr 24 2005, 03:18 PM
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you're right they cant and thats why I stressed external evidence.
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post Apr 24 2005, 03:19 PM
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http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/mem.html
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