http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15739502-13762,00.html

HOLY FUCK thats some scary shit

Bloody hell hole and blazing stomping lizzards!!! This for real? Strewth, animal and possibly human zombies called Boffins. I'll copy and paste the article here so we don't lose it in case the link changes like some news links tend to as new news comes in. Reminds me of the experimentation we have discussed here about scientists blending of human and animal forms called Chimeras.

Here's a link about the creation of Chimeras. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A63731-2004Nov19

Cantaurs Existed! - PRAVDA
http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10185


Boffins create zombie dogs

By Nick Buchan of NEWS.com.au

June 27, 2005

Eerie ... boffins have brought dead dogs back to life, in the name of science.

SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans. US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years.

Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution. The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity. But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock.

Plans to test the technique on humans should be realised within a year, according to the Safar Centre. However rather than sending people to sleep for years, then bringing them back to life to benefit from medical advances, the boffins would be happy to keep people in this state for just a few hours,

But even this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss.

During the procedure blood is replaced with saline solution at a few degrees above zero. The dogs' body temperature drops to only 7C, compared with the usual 37C, inducing a state of hypothermia before death. Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved.

Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts.

Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage.

"The results are stunning. I think in 10 years we will be able to prevent death in a certain segment of those using this technology," said one US battlefield doctor.

Dingo
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geezzz....We cant just keep bringing things and people back to life...this is going to cause major problems i think...many laws are going to be have to be introduced.. who gets to play good and say who gets bought back to like and what not???

You're right it's creepy stuff. But we've been using pig's skin for badly burned patients and skin grafting for years. And the picture on the article is that of a wolf in a passive posturing probable showing his submission to the alpha male. All in all, I think some of this should be taken with a grain of salt. You can't believe everything the news reports. Look how long they've been talking about freezing the dead so we can find cures for what killed them and then bring them back to life and cure them too. Now they are freezing the people signed up for it. No big deal....and in the beginning everyone was all aghast and horrified. [popcorn]

This is said not on a personal level, because most of us probably have a mate or family who have been saved through medical intervention. But sometimes you just have to let people go. The more sophisticated we get medically, the longer people live, some of them semi crippled and or in chronic pain too. It causes a huge discrepancy between birth and death and can have some pretty bad consequences both enviromentally and physically and strains resources, because someone has to support all these people who survive if they can't do so themselves.

The Boffin thing is one thing, almost like an induced coma but going one step further, which can help some people heal quicker because they aren't moving etc.... but creating Chimeras, who are combinations of animal and human stem cells, to me is pushing it all somewhat.

Dingo
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Dingo...I couldn't agree more. Too many people play God and I, for one, prefer to know that when my time has come, I will be called by God and not have to be in limbo until this body is repaired. Frankly, I'd want another body, a better body, but that's another story:D. Too many scientists are going where no man should go, in my opinion! LOL:D

Dude, thats awsome...Resident Evil... >3

And to all the rest of you, I for one and proud to be playing -god-, which I don't believe in. I think we were meant to play god...meh and I enjoy my superiority.

Excellent to hear you are so impressed. I'm sure you will do a wonderful job playing god if you happen to have someone close to you undergo such a procedure and they happen to come out of it not being able to look after themselves. Sounds like you will have no problem supporting that person and paying for everything they need from your income. I'm certain you will be real proud and enjoy your superiority immensely whilst wiping their bums daily because they are too disabled to do it for themselves. Good on you. :thumbsup:

Dingo
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Is it really playing God?

Afterall, If God created Man/Woman to think for themselves, then obviously the big person (where-ever they me be) would have seen this possibility to strive for a long life. Maybe we should be doing this, maybe we're not as advanced as we should be at this day in age... Just a strange thought

Yah I amwith Donna and Dingo on this one. Scary stuff. I guess when you think about it they have been doing a variation of this with certain operations with heart surgery or bringing children back who had drowned but were chilled by water. I have this vision of credit card companies reviving people to get one last payment out of them.

The trick is, did the dogs age during the three hours? Because if they did, it seems useless.

Interesting question Poseidon. I dont believe this no brain damage deal, I reckon if your brain has no oxygen for an extended period, you will suffer brain damage of some sort. Anyway what happens if they bring back people who dont want to be brough back, like families wanting their daughter brough back after she commited suicide. It will bring a whole lot of new ethical, moral and legal problems....

First of all, Dingo, I want to preface this by stating that you're not only one of my favorite people on this forum, but on the internet, period.
But...
That was little harsh, wasn't it?
I mean, how many very common medical lifesavers caused permanent disability and death at one time?
Everything from stiches to antibiotics....just because Mankind plays God, and usually quite poorly at first...well, in general, really...but anyway...it still doesn't mean we shouldn't do just that. God plays God pretty poorly, too, IMHO, when kids are born with Progeria.
So, should we wait on God to heal those children, or go with the rat with human aging cells we can create to fix the condition?
Or just call it "the way of things" and wish those kids well in the afterlife?

Do you really think we should stop making insulin for diabetics coz it's made in human/pig hybrids?
Are we "playing God" there?
Where, exactly, do you draw the line?

Yup kelly, below the belt alright, but there's more to that comment than meets the eye, but better to leave that one at that. Something to do with being superior and one resident evil to another resident evil.

What I will say is that yeah, medical intervention like I said before saves lives and many of us more than likely know someone close to us, even ourselves, where this has happened.

But on the down side.. and this does happen quite a lot too.... is that it's okay for reachers and doctors to do all this but they are not the ones who face ultimate consequences nor the ones who have to deal with and support all those people they save. Those ones who have very poor prognosis even before they are saved. So who looks after them? Have you ever seen someone either badly hurt or very ill and saved, I imagine you would have possibly, not because the person had any choice in it, but because of circumstances where they had no say.

And then the person and their families are left with life long agony way after the reseachers and or doctors have long forgotten the person's name or existance whose life they 'saved'.

Dingo
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Ok...well...I'm not a resident evil fan, so maybe I missed what you were really meaning.

I do agree that way too many people are "saved" from death only to live on in painful quasi-lives. My whole family knows to just let me go if it's ever even a real question. Everyone in my family (and my husband's) feels the same way.

But that's not really even related to mixing human and animal parts.
All...all...the produce we in the US can buy is genetically engineered. (And I think it's probably the same in Australia). Our tomatoes are part gnat, our potatoes are part fish. It actually happened a couple of years ago, when no one was really looking.
And, lo and behold, we're still alive.
Although I do wonder what this is doing to us in a long term kind of way...maybe, hopefully, my grandkids will proclaim genetic engineering relatively safe.
In the mean time, my store bought tomatoes are now lasting 3 weeks before geting "old", while before I vaguely remember then getting mushy after one. And gone are the days of spitting out orange seeds.
I've heard that the 2/3rds world can now grow grain in arid climates where before nothing would grow. At the moment, gene splicing is working quite well.
The unsetteling thing (and I think my first ever post in A-UFOs was about this) is how GM bacteria in genetically engineered products tend to pass DNA from the "lesser" species into the primary. Very nightmarish.

So, in short, I just think we need to test this stuff really, really well before we just introduce it into the whole world in large quantities. (and at this point in time, the powers that be consider a 2 week test to be "long term")

I agree with you 100% there kelly. Though this thread was not originally about hybrid animal and human forms but was about the creation of zombie dogs and 'killing' a dog for 3 hours through some method and then bringing it back to life or something. I think I confused the issue by bringing that hybrid and human thing into this. Opps!!! Still, everything relates.

Going on... The problem is that even if some of us say we want to be let go of and no procedures to take place can find ourselves in a position beyond all control where your wishes are not thought of. For example, if an accident were to happen and it was emergency help in hospital, they would try to to save you regardless how mashed up you are, even before your family is contacted.

As for genetic engineered plants. That is a real possible potential problem waiting to happen and every day we lose more and more strains of plants and at this rate. we could easily end up with only a few growable hybrids of each edible vegetable world wide. Then, if anything were to happen to those few hybrid forms, of say potatoes and they ended up with some disease that eradicates them well... we are left with nothing to back us up with. Well that's not quite right, but it would take yonks to reengineer what is left and once again be able to grow enough to feed everyone and many will die from starvation in the meantime.

These genetic products come at another price, and that is, I notice that taste is often compromised. As for our granchildren or great grandchildren - Yup, we really don't have that much clue as to how the long term results of these engineered foods will affect the human race. Could easily end up back to very short lifespans or people who as they grow older, have so much wrong with them medically that it isn't funny.

So yeah, I believe we should put a lot more thought and long term research into what we are changing and doing because in the long term, we may as a race, suffer some horrific consequences.. and maybe not.

Dingo
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As for zombie dogs, we alrealdy do something all the time quite similar in surgery where we stop the heartbeat and "cool" the patient. It looks like no brain or other cellular damage (detectably, at least) occurs. We've been doing this since the 80's.

On the subject of taste and GM food...
This year in the US we got "seedless, personal watermelons" for the first time. It was introduced like it was no big deal. These were round watermelons, about the size of grapefruits, that were twice as sweet, and seedless. Weird and wonderful. And yeah, nature did not create this strange pleasure.
Deep down inside, I really, really, just hope this all works out well. Coz perhaps it could.

But then there's the terminix gene (sp?). Judging by your post, it sounds like you already know what I'm talking about...but the seeds we find in our food now are engineered to not reproduce. It's a MonSanto thing. I started a thread in "conspiracy theories" about it, but never completed my thought...on the net or in my own head.
Sounds like bad news, though.
Makes me think of that song, Bad Moon:

I see a bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way...

HA HA HA dawn of the dead

Pittsberg, Huh? anyone notice a connection? Romero is from pitts, and this story takes place in pitts. Co-ink-kie-dink? I think not!