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jetsettrash
post Feb 12 2006, 01:37 PM
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can someone who abides by the bible answer these questions please it would be much appreciated...first off i would liek to know why the bible was written ive heard many different views but i kant settle on any.Also has the bible been right about predicting stuff in the past or did they just throw the most obvious ideas in there so that they could be translated pretty much into any situation?this next question is just a question no harm meant by it....why is the bible so meaningful to people especially in todays world where everything is a science and if its not well it doesnt exist... if the bible was read without prior knowledge that its a religious book wouldnt it jsut seem like a book of crazy lanuguage and tall tales..my last question is,is there any proof that any of the events described int he bible actually happend besides the whole noahs arc big flood thing? thank for your responses in advance
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post Feb 12 2006, 04:05 PM
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I'd say its a matter of faith. The bible may be inspired by the divine but was written by man (mankind, whatever), therefore not only open to interpretation but also somewhat mishandled by the world's leaders that have over time taken the liberty to edit it as they see fit. King James beheaded monks until they "got it right". There is much debate as to how much of the texts have been omitted because the church deemed it "heresy". Again the work of man, not God.

The bible isnt just A book per se', but a collection of works, scripture written by people who in their day were considered prophets or as apostles. There are several 'books' that make up the bible, and even more if you consider the Apocrypha, or lost books.

As far as the accuracy of predictions, well again that requires a little faith. And depends on how you look at it. Oddly enough scientists have asserted that it is one of the if not the most accurate historical text from the ancient world. Many events in the bible did actually take place as evidenced by science. Studies have been conducted that reveal the authenticity of some biblical events such as several epic battles. Also it has accurately chronicled the lives of kings and offered a glimpse into the political and social structure of the times. That much we know has been revealed to be true. Now as to the validity of things like immaculate conception, water to wine, the raising of the dead... I guess that would depend on the conviction of your 'beliefs'.
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post Feb 12 2006, 04:54 PM
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Many says was hacked while others was created to keep people with something in the mind so in that way not reign the chaos.
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post Feb 13 2006, 12:17 AM
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I still strongly believe that God was well able to and did protect His Word plenty.

The AUTHENTIC (not all are) Bible Codes attest to a reliable Canon from long ago. So do some other interesting mathematical calculations which I'm blocking on remembering at present.
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post Feb 13 2006, 12:27 AM
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can someone who abides by the bible answer these questions please it would be much appreciated...first off i would liek to know why the bible was written ive heard many different views but i kant settle on any.Also has the bible been right about predicting stuff in the past or did they just throw the most obvious ideas in there so that they could be translated pretty much into any situation?this next question is just a question no harm meant by it....why is the bible so meaningful to people especially in todays world where everything is a science and if its not well it doesnt exist... if the bible was read without prior knowledge that its a religious book wouldnt it jsut seem like a book of crazy lanuguage and tall tales..my last question is,is there any proof that any of the events described int he bible actually happend besides the whole noahs arc big flood thing? thank for your responses in advance


King James version is the real bible. {Many fake bibles on the market that have the words changed.}
Men who yielded their will to God, in faith, were led by God to write it.
God showed them what to write. That is why it is the Word of God and not the word of man. They wrote it because God led them to do it.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

The bible has been very accurate in predicting things in the past.
The prophecies of the bible don't refer to any situation. They are about specific events and people.

Scientists in the field of parapsychology are now using real instrumentation to measure the effects of healing by the laying on of hands and paranormal things like that. Your acceptance or rejecting of the miracles would be your personal views. Don't blame science for it.

The Great Flood Evidence

There is much evidence for a global flood in geology and fossils. Rubble
drift and ossiferous fissures are but two observations that show great
movements of water. Rubble drift shows sediments consisting of massive,
angular unrolled meterial deposited in local pockes and catchment areas.
These are many times full of shattered bones. Ossiferous fissures are
found all over the surface of the world some measuring 140 to 300 feet in
depth. These fissures were filled with debris soon after they were opened
and this could explain why the did not close again. An examination of
the debris in these fissures shows remains of elephant, rhinoceros,
hippopotamus, raindeer, horse, hog and oxen. These bones must have filled
in these fissures after death because there are no complete skeletons and
the bones have not been rolled or weathered. The bones are cemented
together by calcite indicating hydralic deposition.

These deposits are all around the earth but a look at the fissures on the
Rock of Gibraltar running 300 feet deep and are found at different
elevations(highest one is at 100 feet). These deposits show also contain
many different animal bones as described above and in one of them man-made
stone implaments have been found.

Deposits on the Island of Sicily hold a huge number of hippo bones so well
preserved that they can be carved. More that 20 tons of these bones were
shipped for commercial purposes. In Russia a large deposit of these bones
contained 4500 bones of bear coming from at least 100 animals along with
cats, hyenas, horses, boars, mannoth, rhinos, aurocheses, and deer, as
well as insectivores, rodents, sahres, otter, martens, wolves and foxes.
All these bones found in these fissures appear to be the product of huge
masses of water moving at great speed.

http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre09creationnotes.html#flood

There are some creation scientists that say that there is evidence for a worldwide sedimentary layer, indicating a flood. There are other scientists that say that this evidence doesn't exist.
If there was a flood, the layers below that layer are all mixed up (which would explain polystrate fossils) so the layering theory used for dating below that layer would be in error.
Also, if there was a great flood, all of the cave man evidence and evidence for early civilization would be after the flood.
[Some scientist say that neanderthals are really modern men that had arthritis. Neanderathals don't really exist.]
Poly strate fossils - fossils found in layers that archeological theory says they should not be, indicating a mixing of the layering by some violent event. Example: Tree trunk found in coal or pine tree pollen found in the wrong layer.
The idea of an asteroid causing the dinosaurs to go extinct is probably incorrect because that would cause many charred and burned dinosaur skeletons, which are not found.
The great flood could have caused the extinction.
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post Feb 13 2006, 12:35 AM
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How did God show them Anti-aging? Your proclamation that the KJV is the real bible is statement of faith not fact. You believe it to be the correct interpretation of a collection of text, is this not so?
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post Feb 13 2006, 01:20 PM
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well chances are there was a huge flood seens how everything seems to happen at least once and when the earth was coming out of the ice age couldnt all the billions upon billions of gallons of waterbeing spilled cause this"layer of sediment" also in the bible does it say this flood was caused by contiuous rain?
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post Feb 13 2006, 01:33 PM
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massive catastrophies happen alot why? bekuz they r natural...mother nature renews itself...and theres always something threating our population bird flu,anthrax,sars and all the other stupid crap that ppl freak out over. mayube the point of the bible is that man will destroy man...notice how mankind destroys eevrything good...give us nuclear power we make a bomb,give us land to settle we pollute the land..give us oceans to fish in and we spill oila nd garbage in them
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post Feb 13 2006, 01:42 PM
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If your asking about Noah's flood,,then the answer to your question is , yes.
But there was a greater one long before Noah's flood. If you have a bible, you can read about that one in ..Genesis 1:2 and Jeremaiah 4:22-27 and Psalms 104:1-9 and 2peter 3:5-6.

But of course there will be doubters to my statements, because they were never taught that in their churches. So be ready for that.
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post Feb 13 2006, 04:39 PM
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If your asking about Noah's flood,,then the answer to your question is , yes.
But there was a greater one long before Noah's flood. If you have a bible, you can read about that one in ..Genesis 1:2 and Jeremaiah 4:22-27 and Psalms 104:1-9 and 2peter 3:5-6.

But of course there will be doubters to my statements, because they were never taught that in their churches. So be ready for that.


And there will be doubters to what you say because those folks were never taught in the Church of Geology or Archeology or a whole host of other related subjects which tell a completely different story.

Sure there were floods in the Bible etc - but the interpretation of what was understood to be the 'world' at that time depends on the writers view of world reality and what the world represented at that time to that person.

Someone who has no concept of life outside Auchenshuggle would think that Auchenshuggle has been flooded since the dawn of time and that flooding is part of world reality - I've been there and fortunately put them right - they now know there is life outside Auchenshuggle and that it rains a lot in Scotland.

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post Feb 13 2006, 05:45 PM
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I'd say its a matter of faith. The bible may be inspired by the divine but was written by man (mankind, whatever), therefore not only open to interpretation but also somewhat mishandled by the world's leaders that have over time taken the liberty to edit it as they see fit. King James beheaded monks until they "got it right". There is much debate as to how much of the texts have been omitted because the church deemed it "heresy". Again the work of man, not God.

The bible isnt just A book per se', but a collection of works, scripture written by people who in their day were considered prophets or as apostles. There are several 'books' that make up the bible, and even more if you consider the Apocrypha, or lost books.

As far as the accuracy of predictions, well again that requires a little faith. And depends on how you look at it. Oddly enough scientists have asserted that it is one of the if not the most accurate historical text from the ancient world. Many events in the bible did actually take place as evidenced by science. Studies have been conducted that reveal the authenticity of some biblical events such as several epic battles. Also it has accurately chronicled the lives of kings and offered a glimpse into the political and social structure of the times. That much we know has been revealed to be true. Now as to the validity of things like immaculate conception, water to wine, the raising of the dead... I guess that would depend on the conviction of your 'beliefs'.
Well said! :thumbsup:

I think people of faith wrote sincerely of their experience of God and his work in history both singly and in community. And I think that this resonates with the faith of people today, although we know some things about the world today that the writers didn't know in their day.

Personally, treating the Bible as some sort of how-to manual to be picked apart verse by verse sadly limits it IMO. It's history, theology, poetry, philosophy, journal, and the image of God "seen through a glass darkly" ('cause words can't truly get Got's essence).
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post Feb 13 2006, 06:03 PM
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Ben and LydaRose:

Actually...I am in agreement with both of you.

Science proves the Bible right. Thats what I was saying in my post.

You see, am not long winded, I say what I have to say in short terms. Those verses that I qouted prove Science right.
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thanks LydaRose.
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Bible is written wrong.Ex: Noah.God says that the flood will be 40 days and 40 nights, and the reals flood(IN BIBLE) was 150 days... .
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I personally believe the Bible has been re-written many a time and each time has distorted the original meaning just a bit more. So me personally, I doubt the versions we read are what was originally written so I say people are free to use it any way they want but for me I do not take anything in the Bible literally.
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Bible is written wrong.Ex: Noah.God says that the flood will be 40 days and 40 nights, and the reals flood(IN BIBLE) was 150 days... .



Where does it say that the Great Flood lasted for 150 days?
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I personally believe the Bible has been re-written many a time and each time has distorted the original meaning just a bit more. So me personally, I doubt the versions we read are what was originally written so I say people are free to use it any way they want but for me I do not take anything in the Bible literally.



I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Yes, many translations have been created, but if you take each translation and compare them, you will be able to get back to the original text.
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Well, in romanian version is noah 7 12 for 40 days 40 night and for 150 days is 8 3-4.All from genesis.
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Well, in romanian version is noah 7 12 for 40 days 40 night and for 150 days is 8 3-4.All from genesis.


Okay, here is the deal. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:12) and after 150 days, the water receded, or started to go away (Genesis 8:3-4). There is no contradiction here.
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so the bible is written as history and as a precursor to the future, a spiritual guide to the christian path of rightousness?
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