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post Mar 4 2006, 02:24 PM
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I believe the following is authentic. I haven't found out otherwise. It is certainly a thought-provoking doc, regardless. It is well worth reading in its entirety. I excerpted it per directions but had a hard time knowing what to cut. It is well written though the English is rough in spots.

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http://www.republicanandproud.com/warning.htm

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I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West.

To the infidels of the West:

Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction.

We will fight the infidel to death.

Meanwhile American laws will protect us.

Democrats and Leftist will support us.

UNO will legitimize us.

CAIR will incubate us.

ACLU will empower us.

Western Universities will educate us.

Mosques will shelter us

OPEC will finance us

Hollywood will love us.

Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.

Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.

We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.

We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US.

Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we?

We are the “sleeper cells”.

We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. “Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies”. “Jews killed two women”,

Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or hightech weaponery in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.

Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.

West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.

You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?

On the camera:

We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.”

We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.”

Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible.

Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.

Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.

We will increase in number. We will double again.

You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.

There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun.

--snip--

We will use your own values of kindness against you.

--snip--

21st Century Islamic Warfare

Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare.
Muslims Vs. the West.

THE RULE HAS CHANGED. There is new game in town.

Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)

In return Osama's attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.

At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.

Osama's ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold

That is modern warfare. The West will loose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar.
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.

From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses.

Are you sure you want to play this game?

Jihad, ..Jihad...Jeeehaaad...

You are destined to loose.

--snip--

SOTT

[Sight of the Truth]

Saudi Arabia's $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots. You can't win. The Genie is out of the bottle.

--snip--

What are you going to do? You are doomed.

SOTT

[Sight of the Truth]

Tim--ex-Muslim
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post Mar 4 2006, 02:24 PM
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post Mar 4 2006, 05:03 PM
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True or not to Islam and the moderate Muslim world...I've no doubt that such a mentality is in keeping with fundamental, extremist Muslims....because actions speak louder than words in demonstrating the inner mentality. Non-muslims and moderate Muslims the world over are tasked with assessing the danger presented by such and eradicating it...where ever and in whom ever it may sleep.
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post Mar 4 2006, 07:11 PM
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I hate it when demonstrably 'doctored' propoganda appears on the web - even a cursory search for this letter on the web traces it back to an e-mail purportedly sent to 'God's Chosen Army' (Christian that is).....it so fulfills the Christian 'republican' agenda that it beggars belief that anyone can give it credence - this wasn't the writings of a Muslim or 'Jihadi', this was penned by a fervent right wing loony - go seek it out on the web and see just who 'has it'.

Sorry Aslans but if you're gonna fall for every one of these you read - you're gonna be seeing conspiracies in your own wardrobe.

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post Mar 4 2006, 07:26 PM
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the Christian 'republican' agenda


Also a danger to common good, Ben. But that the post above represents fundamental extremism, which is the mentality behind terrorism...behind suicide bombers, human shields, riots, child soldiers, etc...seems likely enough to me, regardless of who actually wrote it and for what reason. Do you disagree?
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post Mar 4 2006, 07:32 PM
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Don't worry Ben, Republicans and Democrats both have their own self-centered, power hungry agendas, and that isn't a really new phenomenon, either...
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post Mar 4 2006, 07:32 PM
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Hmmm tough one Toots - I agree that the 'hatred' at the heart of it is truly representative of those determined to bring down the West. I completely disagree with the political aspects (basically exploiting anything which is liberal or left-wing) as being representative of any kind of 'method' they might be using.

What concerns me more (when one accepts that it is propoganda) is the hatred which must reside in the brain of the one creating it to cheat, lie and decieve in such a manner....it speaks volumes for those who are supposed to be on 'our side'.

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post Mar 4 2006, 08:45 PM
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What concerns me more (when one accepts that it is propoganda) is the hatred which must reside in the brain of the one creating it to cheat, lie and decieve in such a manner....it speaks volumes for those who are supposed to be on 'our side'.


I dunno, Ben...its kinda like trying to equate the propaganda of unscrupulous political satire cartoonists and their publishers with the murderous actions of religously offended, rioting Muslims..but I certainly agree that the above is right-wing Christian political propaganda that is hate filled in its own right.
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post Mar 4 2006, 09:45 PM
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True or not to Islam and the moderate Muslim world...I've no doubt that such a mentality is in keeping with fundamental, extremist Muslims....because actions speak louder than words in demonstrating the inner mentality. Non-muslims and moderate Muslims the world over are tasked with assessing the danger presented by such and eradicating it...where ever and in whom ever it may sleep.

That's my perspective.

Ben, the former Muslim who lived free with me for more than a year--his bed was in the same bedroom as mine--we chatted many hours before sleep . . .

he could have written the piece himself. I don't recall a single statement in the piece which he would have disagreed with.

I realized when I posted it that it could easily be from one side or the other. It didn't matter that much to me. I knew from my friend, that there was more than enough truth in it to post it for discussion. That mentality, that spirit, is out there in the Jihadi camp and in the hearts and minds of those who merely 'aspire' to be such 'righteous Jihadi's.'

I don't have a lot of answers . . . beyond earnest prayer . . . but I think that the west is ignorant, stupid, blind and clueless--and suicidally so--if we do not realize that such thinking, such motives, such values are rife in the Jihadi's world.
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post Mar 4 2006, 09:49 PM
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I completely disagree with the political aspects (basically exploiting anything which is liberal or left-wing) as being representative of any kind of 'method' they might be using.
Ben


According to my housemate, Ben, they really do consider our . . . lofty values . . . to be garbage, weakness, cluelessness and OPPORTUNITIES to manipulate us to our own destruction.
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post Mar 4 2006, 09:53 PM
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Sorry Aslans but if you're gonna fall for every one of these you read - you're gonna be seeing conspiracies in your own wardrobe.

Ben

When I read something which has even a few or several points which I know from other experience or sources have some validity, truth to them . . . I may not care at all who originated that currently considered piece. If it articulates or synthesizes even a group of other sources, that's fine with me.

As the Chinese say--the onlooker sees the game best.

I think it relatively easy to get confirmation of bits and pieces of it from various individual Muslims. And, occasionally a former Muslim like my housemate may say most of such a piece's points in a private late night series of conversations.

But I doubt many muslims will put it all together like that.

So, I can be thankful that someone put it altogether for some insightful discussion and maybe a wake-up on the part of some Westerners.
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post Mar 4 2006, 10:06 PM
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Do we really care what anyone thinks about anyone?? Unless its on the news and you see it what does it mean to you?? All I care about is that Australia will never have sharia law and never be a Muslim super state!!

If you dont see it on the news or read it or someone tells you, does people dying around the world in the Millions each year really make anyone care??

What does a Muslin or Christian or Iraq etc..mean to an Aborigines in the desert or someone living off the land with no communications.

Does all this war on terror really change anyones day to day life away from it all??

Do people affected by hurricane Katrina even care about other countries and what they say about America?? Probably no!

I know I dont think about religion. But it seems Muslims want you to hear about them every single day.

What has this achieved though? A Hatred never before seen towards Muslims!

The past 5 years has shown to the world that Muslims have a chip on their shoulders and it isnt a peaceful religion as seen by the hundreds killed over a few cartoons some of which some were never even publicly shown anywhere...

All it does it makes Muslim states poorer and not respected by anyone...

We are humans on a planet called Earth-meaning we are Human beings first..Muslims dont buy that, they are there own world...who dont have to try to assimilate anywhere, do not have to do anthing their religion says they shouldnt. They have no freedom, only violent outlook on life elsewhere.

They try to justify things about women which isnt true. Dont forget a women in Saudia Arabia is not allowed to drive yet!!!

Religion is killing the planet and its not in the name of GOD, its in the name of whoever they percieve there GOD to be!

GOd says I can kill innocent people then i go and pray to him...that is not a religion that is a genocidal force who should be silenced by not even letting them on tv, why show these fanatical people al the time-gloryfying killings which makes them kill more to be on tv and the world stage, jumping up and down, burning flags like a bunch of hooligans, saying kill westerners or anyone that they hate, and Muslims do hate the world they live in and take it out on the rest of the world.

I think enough is enough, its time that they were shown the true spirit of any religion the fact that GOD did not tell anyone to kill anyone ever!!!

Ever hear of Buddists going on a killing spree?? There are almost a billion of them...or Hindus killing thousands each year in the name of their religion, there is almost a billion of them as well...

Religion is the terror of the 21 century
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post Mar 4 2006, 10:12 PM
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I almost agree with everything you say T.c., but the real terror is POLITICIZED RELIGION, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddist, Hindu, any religion, now serves as the basis for a fascist/nationalist zealot's cause to hate others...
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post Mar 4 2006, 10:22 PM
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Unfortunatley you dont need to be politically motivated to Kill innocnet people. You just need Bin Laden etc.. to tell you to do it-as Nike said.

But I see your point the Religious Right in America is one front of many worldwide.

What about the half Billion or more people worldwide who have no belief in religion or a god??

The Chinese Government doesnt use religion to put over a point do they? But they do use their muscle in religious areas-such as Tibet.
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post Mar 4 2006, 10:32 PM
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Actually T.c, the left and right are both at fault in my nation now, America's greatest political strength is (or was) it's ability to compromise, now, this nation is so polarized and spiteful, the left uses the tactics of propaganda, bullying, and zealoucy just like the right. I try my damnedest to stay a moderate anymore, becuase I'm sick of the extremism both sides seem to embrace...
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post Mar 4 2006, 10:44 PM
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I have muslim friends and they are not fanatical. But they are part of this religious fanatacism that they cannot escape. So to escape there mother renounced themselves as Muslims and they now life lives free from violent talk and abuse from rednecks.

She doesnt wear a headress etc.. and never had...Those who do, are not doing it because the Koran says so, they do so because its what they want to do but say "the Koran says so!!Not all but many do.

I find the full length dress not only intimidating but sad to see. By using this dress they send the wrong messages to their Muslim youth who now feel that western girls who dress as they choose should be raped for doing so.

While not all muslims are terrorists/freedom fighters/ most terrorists/freedom fighters are thesedays.

I still see Palestine and Hamas as using there plight to keep the world at ransom. They blame that and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as there moral duty to fight, yet Germany and France did not go to war in Iraq and they still kill people from those countries, this scenario of "if you dont fight muslim countries we wont fight you", is absurd. This crap about if we didnt go to Iraq the world would be a better safer place is ill-informed and stupid on those who go along with it and protest about Iraq.

Doesnt anyone know of Iraq's bloody past? One million killed in the Iran/Iraq war. 5000Kurds gassed with chemicals banned throughout the civilised world, up to 5 million killed in Saddams 30 year reing of absolute terror and on and on and on, Invaded Kuwaut in 1992, Kicked out UN inspectors with 300,000 tonnes of deadly chemicals un-accounted for. What do these prtestors want, more killings everyday??

Gave 250,000 US dollars to each family whos son or daughters became suicide bombers.

I think we should show Sep 11th-Bali/Madrid and London in all these countries and the entire planet once a week to get things in perspective.

Murder is murder, using religion to justify killing fileds is just plain stupid on their part and shows the mentallity of many Musilms.

Did Any religion protest by burning flags and or killing people over Monty Pythons hand of god, when god said "about Psalms being a drag? Has anyone ever killed a ournalist over cartoons about any other religious figure-of course not we are civilised enough to know its not meant to be sacriligeous and that its nothing but a bit of paper with a cartoon..

For one thing Muslims are not allowed to draw the Prophet or even look at images depicting there god, so how did these fanatical muslims around the world hear of the cartoons and how do they even know what was depicted???

From a cleric in Denmark who personally flew to Saudia Arabai showing the cartoons to the clerics, who obviously can look at anything but not their followers and then proceeded to buy tens of thousands of Danish flags and then send the images and the flags around the so called muslim world.

So the images could not have been too bad if they sent them around like an internet email right?

Then the so called "peaceful Muslims" destroyed buildings cars, flags and finally destroyed christian areas and churches etc..all in the name of who?? Not god the Saudia Arabai clerics who told them of course, these images were from last sep but shown 6 months later, what the muslims didnt think they were bad until the saudia clerics said they were??

I know people who want these countries wiped off the face of the planet by Nuking them, so then we wil have some normality back.!!!Not me I see all humans as equals and earthlings, what I type is only what im saying right now what I think all the time or even want!!
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post Mar 4 2006, 11:16 PM
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"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

There are real terrorists out there, but using dishonest Republican propoganda to raise "awareness" is counterproductive.
Just makes me more afraid of the right-wing loonies.
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post Mar 4 2006, 11:22 PM
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"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

There are real terrorists out there, but using dishonest Republican propoganda to raise "awareness" is counterproductive.
Just makes me more afraid of the right-wing loonies.


You should fear both sides, just ask propagandists like Ann Coulter or Michael Moore, the right and left are full of "loonies"...
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post Mar 4 2006, 11:30 PM
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You should fear both sides, just ask propagandists like Ann Coulter or Michael Moore, the right and left are full of "loonies"...

True. Looniness, wherever it's found, should be called out, though.
Religious looniness really scares me the most. It's like it keeps squaring itself or something. :confused:
This "I am a Muslim" thing really rubs me the wrong way. What sort of nut writes something like that?
What's wrong with people that their bullshit radar doesn't start screaming before this gets passed off as truth a hundred times?
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post Mar 4 2006, 11:34 PM
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True. Looniness, wherever it's found, should be called out, though.
Religious looniness really scares me the most. It's like it keeps squaring itself or something. :confused:
This "I am a Muslim" thing really rubs me the wrong way. What sort of nut writes something like that?
What's wrong with people that their bullshit radar doesn't start screaming before this gets passed off as truth a hundred times?


Your right, but religion has been politicized though. Nowadays, many use their religion as a tool to excuse totalist ideals and behavior, and all religions are guilty. But what scares me is, that right-wing religious zealoucy is now fuealing a left-wing extremism that will use the same tactics of hate-mongering and thugery that their opponets use. It's becoming a sad fact that both sides believe they are free to use whatever tactics they wish to achive their goals. Moderation, respecting others, and compromise should be the tactics to bring peaceful change, but no one has the willpower to achive goals peacefully anymore.
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