The debate is over. The US Patent Office has granted patents for field propulsion devices: http://www.rexresearch.com/antigrav/antigrav.htm

It is worth noting that the Canadian built Project Silver Bug did not receive a US patent until 1962, even though the project was underway in 1955 or a little earlier.

It is also clear that the disc aircraft projects were called many things: "circular planform," "all wing," and "circular wing," among others.

The known circular aircraft flew with propellers and turbojets. Those using field propulsion were developed and kept around for the Cold War.

It is apparent that the Germans developed all three disc aircraft. The few using field propulsion were apparently developed last and were evacuated at the end of the war. See the book: Brighter than a Thousand Suns" by Jungk. See also the work of T. Townsend Brown and Tesla's patents (including Germany).

why would they still be a secret after 50 some odd years? I mean think about it. Computers 30 years ago were worth billions and were kept behind secured inviorments and yet 85% of the average household in America has 1 or 2 computers that would have been classified as "Super computers" just 10 years ago.

We have lazer disc, cell technology and all kinds of cool little gadgets that only high ranking government workers would have had their hands on 2 decades ago. Why would they keep these crafts a secret when they would make so much money in our everyday commute. The US government would make trillians in revenue from the taxes generated by the airline industry.

I doubt they would keep it a secret this long or not put it to good use other then military.

This is only a patent. There billions patent filed and that doesn't mean that they all work.

Rohn

Flyin' saucers may be our own creation, but that doesn't explain away all UFO phenomena.

Sure they would, if they have a reason to. Even if some are Military, they had to get the Technology somewhere. Most likely from ET's. But I don't think they have been able to back engineer that Tech 100%.

The poster who made the comment about patents is apparently not aware of the time and expense of filing for a patent and the process for granting a patent. There are attorneys that specialize in patents.

So... all UFO's are man made b/c some people wrote up some patents, none of which resemble any modern day UFO siting I have read, that probably don't work?

Gotcha.

research, you could say the same thing about a brand new Bentley... To someone who doesn't have tons of money, you could make the same comment. About not realizing the expense. But, to someone who has it. It's just money. No big deal. Plenty where that came from.

If I were rich. I could easily see myself going through the process to have a patent of something off the wall, in my name, just to say I did it. The money and legal hassle would be a quick phone call. That's it.

I agree, A patent really isnt that hard to do, yes it usually involves a patent lawyer, mainly to cover your ass from stealing someone elses idea, or vise versa,

Is there some more explanation of these drawings available?

All i see is some lines and figures with some numbers...
I'm not educated in the field of propulsion devices, but... This could be anything, what does it mean?

Are these just theoretical ideas, or are they crafts that actually flew and set off a whole new science, ufology?
Are these the things were're talking about on forums like this?
Are these the things that made us believe in alien life visiting earth?

It's hard to imagine it could be that simple...

Apparently, none of you have made a patent application or read a complete patent. The details are explained, and to the satisfaction of the patent examiner. These details need to be functional and practicable. Patents are not granted if one simply pays for the application.

So you are saying these patents are a fiction? That these devices do not exist? They are real and copies of the patents can be purchased by anyone.

And if all you have to defend your view are emotional comments, you are not adding any knowledge to the questions involved.

Why doesn't anyone use it then? What value does 'the satisfaction of the patent examiner' has?

Having a patent doesnt necessarily means that it is a working model...Sometimes they are patented to save the idea...It has been shown time and time again that a circular shaped form is the hardest to fly...

Ted Roach here had 12 patents for an Anti gravity working flying saucer (he worked on Anti-gravitic projects) but where is it? confiscated by the Australian Securities Comminsion under National Security of course!

There is a photo of Hitler next to a Huniboo-I have no idea if that is a real craft a real photo with Hitler in it and the craft added or that the V8-12 is this.

The US Air Force is obviously not telling us the truth. the us got the documents after ww2 from the germans to create a flying saucer and to create an anti-gravity prupolsion system... it goes into too much detail but i don't have time.

I believe that some of the UFO's that have been seen over the years have been built by humans, but not all of them.

I believe that we got some of the technology from crashed UFO's, and started to make our own. We are probably pretty good at it by now, but the source has to be alien, and that source is way ahead of us.

Their UFO's (alien) should fly circles around ours!

Just my take on the subject.

I Concur! I think the Germans did also. It's Just that we haven't been able to figure it all out yet. Or we don't have the same Materials need to accomplish their Magic.

See the book Electrogravitics II by Tom Valone

"circular shaped form hardest to fly..." ?
Look here: http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Eng/RCook.htm

Its a jump to say that a simple patent means "all ufos are man made"

Does this patent explain the differing sizes and shapes of UFOs? Does it? Propulsion technology might be useful in a saucer shaped craft but what about a triangle craft? Or the ones that break into a million peices and then join back together again? What about the ones that go MACH 300,000 in space on that NASA video? Cylinderical ones? Saucer ones? Shape shifting ones? The ones that are 2 mile long or 3 mile long?

By my estimation the United States needs a whole fleet of these craft in all different sizes and shapes to account for everything.

This fleet would cost the United States trillions of dollars a year. The United States is rich but not that rich.

Hell, just the other day I saw pictures of UFOs from Germany...France...Scandanavia from the 1920s...and 1930s....something that is purposely being ignored by the skeptics on this site I might add...could this patent explain those as well?

I knew the United States was rich and technologically advanced but time travellers as well? Who would think? :cool:

Forever:
That's how I feel. For anyone to say there is Just One Explanation for what has been seen by so many, is Ridiculous. I don't care what anyone says about some of the NASA videos I have seen. To call them All Space Junk or Ice Crystals, is just plain Naive.

I do believe some UFO sighting are Terrestrial. That has to be a Possibility. But there are so many that just don't fit that Category. There has to be other explanations. What they are may be known by some, but surely not by us. We can only hope some day we will find out the truth about some of them at least.

I doubt we will ever find All the Answers in our lifetime. Not as long as there are those who want to keep it Secret, for whatever purpose they have to do so.

UFO's well... could be man made maybe they are maybe they arent


icertainly think some are made by extrettestrial because they have been visiting the earth for la ong time...

ET's have been interacting with mankind and this is one reason why i believe we have the technology that we do today.

but i believe that mankind does not possess the tecnhology to produce the aerial craft i have seen... if they do, they would have aquired it through ET's