This is an on-going discussion on another forum, and I've been checking on it. I recommend you check it out and maybe put some inputs. So far I still find myself in the middle of the fence. Both sides has it's good arguments.

http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthr...93392#post93392

If you like, feel free to input on this thread

I think it sucks! I believe that this problem will never be solved. Illegal immigration has been going on much to long for these laws to work effectively.

If they are going to arrest Mexicans for illegally coming into America, and charge them as felons won't our prisons burst with overpopulation?

Or is that the reason why they are building all those make shift prison camps across America to house illegal immigrants until their sentence is up?

Then what? Will they be rehabilitated, sent back to Mexico, and they will never come back?

Maybe after they do their time perhaps the government will cut them a deal if you want to be a U.S. Citizen join the Military, and go fight for our country in Iraq.

The problem with this issue is that it seems to single out Mexicans. However, let's be real. The issue also involves people not just from the Latin Americas, but Asia, Middle East, etc., etc.

I think it's hypocritical to argue about immigration, when this country was founded on immigration.

I think it's very sad that Mexicans get the most attention. Let's face it, they usually take jobs that Americans don't like to do and perform these tasks extremely well.

I just don't think that illegal immigrants should be viewed as felons. Their only crime is wanting to improve their standard of living. Another ideal the American way of life. Unless the illegal aliens are committing rape or murders, they should not be thrown in prison.

I always thought "Immigrants" (especially when country folks say it "Imgrants") sounds a little like the word "ingrates".

I really don't know where I stand on this, since I have my own problems. I don't hate people for being Hispanic. Thats just retarded. And I dont think it's cool to let people die in the desert from thirst (Mostly mexicans who jump borders) and say "Its their fault". I believe in being civil and human rights. People should place water barrels in the desert for these people.

I personally wish we didnt have borders. But borders were needed at a time when 2 seperate tribes of people with different religions or way of life, clashed with one another.

In some ways that still happens today.

In defense of the Latino people, I respect their need to find work and feed their families. I understand their need to get medical help as well. I understand them wanting to get education for their children.

But why is it up to the US Tax payers to be burden with this problem? The more I think about it, The more im starting to support a Wall. But, I was against the Iron Curtain. The truth is, That Iron Curtain did more Good then bad. When it came down, and the end of Soviet rule happened. I realized we have more problems in the World now then during the cold war. Russia should have stay the USSR and maybe kept Pakistan in check as well as Iran.

Those Russian scientist found a way to make money after the end of the Cold War. They went to Iran and built a Got Damn nuclear power plant. Great going You assholes.

So, Im just curious as to how you feel about Illegals living in your country. If you live in California or the US, how do you feel about the flood of illegals? I dont care if you're Mexican or Hispanic or Latin or whatever the proper term is (It keeps changing). This shouldnt offend you. You should be just as angry as a Mexican that some Illegal is coming to take a job from you. If you think it doesnt effect you, Think again.

When they outsourced Mid paying jobs to India and Mexico (Thanks to NAFTA), Those people were forced to take what they could get. Mc Donalds Jobs. But it's a known fact that nearly 15-20% of Illegals have documentation showing they're legal. The California DMV fired some dozen or so Hispanics who were illegally gathering personal information to sell on the black market in Mexico so People could stay in the US. Basically, ID Theft.

My only fear in this country is that We will have a war or major Civil unrest (Mostly by Hispanics) if we make being an Illegal Immigrant a Federal Crime. But I think it has to happen. It's either that, Or Mexico becomes a State of the Union (Which I think is the best idea of all). But most Mexicans are too proud to be apart of the US. They want autonomy. Its that kind of double standard that keeps them were they are.

I have a local News Paper next to me showing the kids protesting. Basically a bunch of Latin kids outside with banners saying how unfair it is. Last year, they did the same thing. They protested against ARNOLD (Govenator). Because he wanted to ship most of them back, but he himself is an Immigrant. It got pretty crazy. Some of the kids were stopping traffic, and I read later that some of them were breaking windows on cars at one of the local malls.

This is not just an American Problem. I know it's happening in France (With Muslims and Africans). Although I think it's pig headed for the French Government to make comments like "They're trash". Although I dont think in France, these are illegals.

If they're not supposed to be here, why should they have the same rights as us? Don't jail them. Ship their asses right back.

We need to use more of our troops to guard the borders, and start picking off some of these people. Once a few get shot trying to sneak in, it'll spread around wherever they're sneaking in from that there is a huge risk of dying.

Call it heartless, but I don't want to see us become overcrowded like China.

they come here to do the work that most americans feel is beneath them... not that they are above the work, but anyone is above the pay that those shit jobs available provide.

you have an army of people: immagrants, illegals, etc, that will shovel sewage for $5 an hour, because no one else here will. Why is it like this? Well, how many of you ever shoveled shit for the price of McValue Meal? (or less) Dentists, Lawyers, Doctors, Scientists... from all over the world will come here just so they can sling doo-doo in a relatively peaceful environment. Really its amazing.

Here in lies the problem: now really, shouldn't people with terrible jobs that require detestable work be able to make more of earning just because its a crappy job? Instead, the hardest work is left for societies unwanted... Sounds like an open invitation to me.

Somebody in charge has their priorities all fucked up.

Its called EXPLOITATION.

the twisted logic behind this: why pay a bunch of 'greedy american capitalists' to dirty their hands when you have a guy standing around that already has his hands dirty? Im not saying it right, just saying how it is.

No wall will stop them. They'll fly over in a lawnchair with enough balloons to carry themselves & a six pack to enjoy the view with. (I would.)

Shooting will not discourage them, it may fan the flames. I'll use East Germany as an example there. Besides, its true, you run faster when shot at.

The greater lengths we go to in order to keep them out, the more ingenious their infiltration tactics will become. (they have been tunneling lately.)

If they want to be here then it should be done legally just like any American would have to do if they wanted to move to .. oh, say.. Switzerland.

If they come here because it is so terrible where they are from then obviously they run from their problems instead of defending their home and their rights. This is a model of a productive citizen? So if tyranny is a big problem where they may be from, they'd rather leave others behind to settle it for them, or leave their fellow nationals to carry the burden of making things right instead of standing up.

The Land of Opertunity has less and less to offer these days. Doesn't make much sense to me why they would even bother. Poverty, you say? Ha. Let me drive 'em through the 'hoods here and have a long hard look at poverty.

There is a sign (a huge billboard) in LA that reads in Spanish: "This is our town" and has a Mexican flag on it. It doesn't get any more inflammatory than that. As well American and Mexican politicians have referred to the immagration problem as "the silent invasion".

Could we be on the brink of a cultural paradigm shift? Why I think we are.

It is a very sad thing to say but you know it is much easier to go through the proper channels if you happen to be white and well educated. seems that colour and education matter more than who you areas a person. Personally I find it aborant that we donty have a free world where people live where they will . as long as they learn to live by the rules of the country and pay their taxes.
Angry Jerk.. use a condom and dont have kids! educate the people where you are to do the same hey you wont have an over crowded USA. Then get on ya knees and say thank you to who ever it was that provided youwith a sex sducation and the where withall to prevent the Usa becoming too overcrowded like China has.. don't knock people help em out. And before you are too harsh on the people who would risk death to come live in your country.( oh and I wouldnt want to!) go spend six months living where the best you can do for drinking water is lick in dirty shitty puddles and eat food from a rubbish tip. weeks old and rotting.. then yeah hey go make the rules about shooting people. at least you will know why they go to the lengths they may go to!

There has always been a double standard with immigration. No one really minds if immigrants are illegal and they do not commit crimes and simply shut up and do the lousy jobs no one else wants to do. The fact is much of the labour in the US on farms and in clothing factories could not have existed without illegals, particularly illegal Mexicans working on California farms and in Levis jeans factories or picking oranges for Minute Maid-Coca Cola.

America of course should not be singled out for this double standard. Europe has always brought in guest workers like Turks to do the dirty work and then refused to provide them citizenship. In Canada we use refugees who we allow in quite liberally to fill our lower level jobs Canadians feel too educated to take on.

All Western countries do it. We exploit immigrants who are illegal. When we do complain about them being illegal I then have to question why? Statistics show illegal immigrants do NOT take jobs away from others because these illegals are not educated they simply filling jobs no one else wants. The perception they are taking jobs away has been proven over and over again not to be true. If anything they add to the economy by circulating more money through their own activities. The qualified immigrants from such countries can afford to come to the country legally and they are given admissability points for their skills so they do not have to come in on the sly.

Look some poor pathetic shmuck who sneaks in from Mexico or Canton, China most probably is going to end up in a swet factory and be exploited and capitalism depends on this cheap labour.

There is another issue of course, state security. Now that the West is deathly afraid of terrorism, immigration is back in the news because now the US and others are worrying how do they sift out the terrorists from the cheap labour. Don't kid yourself, the US and Canada and the West are only too happy to keep getting cheap labour and exploit it-its just now they have to balance their selfish labour needs with state security concerns.

I agree that Americans have a double standard. Americans will hire a Hispanic person to do cheap labor and not report it to the Government when tax time comes around. Even Mayor/Senator Feinstein got busted for doing this. She talks about civil rights and equality, but didnt have a problem hiring some Mexicans, for a few dollars an hour; to mow her lawn. I guess some neighbor of hers turned her in.

I admit I hired a Mexican guy to do weed abatement. My problem was I had a crappy weed eater, this guy was doing the neighbors house and offered me a deal. 50 bucks for the entire hill. Had I let it go, and the city came in, they would have sent me a bill for 500 bucks. So, I figured, since he was here, go for it. He had 4 guys with him and they did it in like 20 minutes. So he pocketed alot of money. I dont think he shared the pay equally with his workers. That same Job would have taken me about 3 hours in the 95f heat. It was the first and last time I ever hired someone I assumed didnt have a greencard. But i saw that same guy, year after year cutting out peoples hills.

Also, This doesnt just apply to Mexicans, I know a few tongo/samoan types who would always come by and build retaining walls or do driveways. I know people who would hire Irish guys with no green cards, for 8 bucks an hour. They were good workers but they stayed well over their time that was permitted.