I have been studying NDE's for quite some time, and anyone that’s investigated them will know its a fascinating subject, even if you don’t believe its anything spiritual.

Now I respect one such Dr that studies these things called DR Jeff Long, but was pretty amazed how he never spotted a certain "NDE" sent to him of a hellish experience, as being frightening Christian propaganda.

Now i believe in life after death, and near death experiences as being spiritual and do believe that Hell (if you want to call it that) exists, but this following yet interesting and intriguing so called NDE is obviously a scare story aimed at frightening people into "accepting Jesus" I would have thought Dr Long would have spotted this a mile of. Look how the author uses caps lock when describing the more terrifying points in the "NDE". Here is there account............

i prefer to remain anonymous because of what I have suffered at the hands of those who do not believe me.

It was about 2 years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday. I was getting into my friend Gareth's car.
It was his dad's car and he wasn't supposed to have it in the first place. I don't know how he got hold of it. I remember he had been drinking earlier that night. I knew he wasn't supposed to be driving it but I remember really needing a lift home because it was late. We had been arguing the whole trip about something, stupid and in a moment of rage, he slammed onto the accelerator, hard and tried to do a U turn. Now that I think about it, I remember it was his way of scaring people into shutting up; he was nuts like that. Gosh, next thing I knew i was being wheeled into a big room on a stretcher. My chest and head felt like I'd been punched in places with metal or something.

The next part is really, really vivid. I definitely remember this. Seconds later, I started to float out of my body and go through this weird tunnel of light, like I was on some weird drug or something. I didn't know where I was going but I knew that I couldn't control where I was being sucked to. I couldn't stop or turn or anything. Everything seemed fine. For a split second I thought I was headed towards heaven but suddenly something happened. I stopped dead, in this tunnel and like a bolt of lightning I started to fall, faster and faster and faster.

I felt like I had literally just dropped vertically and was headed towards this sort of black hole. It was so dark I felt I could cut with with a knife. Still falling, I began to hear screams, cries, agonizing pain, horrible, horrible laughing and the most putrid smell you could ever imagine, then the blackness turned into fire, and I was falling towards a huge furnace. Fire began to consume me. I started screaming. I didn't know where my sound was going but I knew I was screaming hard. Landing on my back, I suddenly crashed to what seemed like rocks and felt a horrible pain all over my body or whatever this new form was.

Opening my eyes I suddenly realized I wasn't alone because creatures, things of some sort of distorted form started to grasp at me, one by one they grabbed me and started to drag me towards what seemed like huge black gates. I began kicking and screaming, yelling at the top of my lungs for Allah or Buddha or God...whoever I could remember hearing about in RE class to help me, but still nothing came. I remember one giant creature began to rip at the skin on my back with what seemed like his sharp nails, another began to tear at my hair so hard I felt the urge to throw up.

Another kicked me down and started standing on my chest laughing, teasing me about personal issues he seemed to know about me. Such as my mother dying at birth, my sister in prison and my friend Gareth driving the car that had killed me. I so remember the smell, it was so vile like rotting flesh and burnt hair. Their raspy laughs and taunts at me were almost drowned out by the roar of the flames around me. I suddenly saw before me people running and screaming, a group of children no younger than 12 years old crying each one being terrorized and literally pulled apart by these malevolent beings. I definitely remember suddenly seeing Gareth, (the guy in the car with me)- he was hung upside down with nails driven into his hands and feet, almost like Jesus on the Cross (i had remembered reading about that in class a few weeks ago) the creatures began whipping him simultaneously, all chanting in a language I really didn't understand. Fire had now consumed what he was nailed to and the flesh on his hands and chest and head had already begun to melt and peel. I looked at his face, he was TERRIFIED!!!! He began crying uncontrollably pleading with them to stop.

My body or soul or whatever you wanna call it suddenly began to burn badly from the fire spread on this ground. I suddenly cried out again 'God please help me'. I suddenly realized that the more I cried out God's name, the more they tried to hurt me, the angrier they got, the more agitated and frustrated they became. 'God please' I finally begged seconds before deciding to give up and suddenly a great
suction tore me from their grip and started to carry me back through the tunnel. I suddenly awoke to the sound of a female doctors voice.

I remember her telling me that after 2 hours of resuscitation I had recovered but Gareth had not. Apparently as they were trying to revive him his heart gave way, it just gave up the fight. His time of death had been confirmed half an hour before mine. And after months of therapy, trying to describe all I had seen my friend I met in college... a Pentecostal Christian... explained to me what I had encountered. she counseled me for about two weeks telling me scriptures in the Bible that
described Hell and outlined everything I had seen. And then one day, there and then right in the middle of my College Campus I gave my heart to Jesus. To this day I swear I can still smell that rotten smell of burnt flesh and burnt hair. I used to actually get feverish every time I think about Gareth, and where he might be to this day. I still believe I know where he is, and where I don't want his little brother to be whose is now 14 years old. Sharing my testimony with friends and family who didn't believe in 'all this religious stuff' still claim to this day that, in their opinion I've seen one to many horror movies. But this was no movie, there were no credits, no logo's at the end of it, NO!, this was REAL!!!!

All who read this I pray please let this be a warning to all those who have not accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts. In my Near death experience I saw what waits for those who reject Jesus. I've seen the horror that is more real than any film or show could ever be. AND I PRAISE GOD to this day that he gave me that second chance so that now I can work for him. For all those who aren't sure please don't wait till its too late to find out the truth I did. In Jesus name call on him NOW! Don't wait... I'm 22 years old, I thought I had years ahead of me before anything like this would happen. I was very nearly wrong. God Bless all who read this and believe on God and his Precious Son. Amen!!

Source http://www.nderf.org/meg_a's_nde.htm

I would say that this brings DR Jeff Long into question if he can`t tell the difference from bullshit and honest experiences.

In defence of him, he did make a statement on the page the experience was published on. Personally I would not have put it on the site because of obviously religious propaganda, and the site is to study real NDE‘s.

that was a good read- scary too.

I've read much about NDEs as well, over the decades.
From what I have gathered, is a person will have a personnal custom experience. If they are very religious, it will be of much religious content. If they are not, then it will tend not to have any religious tones to it. It also noticed that the ones with the hell experience carried some kind of guilt with them.
So if the spiritworld is the our recess between lives and the playground of our minds it would seem that any bad guilt we carry along may very well cause us to be the unwilling creators of our own personal hell.

Near death experiences for me can be explained with science, and in particular, neurology and the study of neurological and chemical phenomena that is generated in the brain.

There is a lot we do not know about the brian particularly its chemical make-up, how neuro-transmitters really work, etc., but everyday we learn new things.

What is known is that the temporal-lobe, certain kinds of physical conditions such as lesions in the brain, viruses, tumours, epilepsy, schizophrenia, narcolepsy, sleep deprivation, compressing the optic nerve (to create the tunnel sensation) and drugs or alcohol or polution or toxic chemicals or stress can trigger changes in the brain.

We also know two key chemicals; serotonin and endorphins, are a major factor in how the brain can function or become impaired.

All that said, I believe most nde's can be explained with boring, mundane, neurology and bio-chemistry.

That said I do not doubt, there is so much we do not know about the brain and our soul, that some or all or a portion of visions may not just have a scientific explanation.

That said, I find it manipulate and cowardly to try use a scientific phenomena which should be explained rationally, and using it to try propogate certain beliefs let alone beliefs based on fear.

The key to the above b.s. Faed reprinted is that it tries to promulgate fear.

Anyone who needs to impart their message using fear to me is either a socio-path or a psycho-path, take your pick.

You want to follow a religion. Please do so. But do it based on positive feelings and wanting to help others and do positive things. Don't go through life because you are afraid to be punished.

Faed that passage is precisely no different to me when I read posters who write in and say they have been in touch with aliens and they now know the truth and we are all going to die except those who believe what the writer has to say and join their club.

Its base, primative fear mongering. I spit on it.

I think the state of consciousness has a lot to do with it. If you think you are going to heaven than you are if you think you are going to hell than you are. The universe is said to be holographic so none of this is as real as we think. Our minds are very powerful more than we are allowed to know I think.

i had a dream where i was being pushed down this rocky tunnel by a demon on my chest and i remember screaming out 'im not ready yet' then i woke up

Again no one is in the position to be able to properly analyze your dream unless they can first fully flush out its context which would require among other things, finding out what you ate and drank before you went to bed, a proper medical history, what urnesolved issues are going on in your life, what your particular script is for defining morality and other things, etc.

I could give you two possible mundane explanations-the tunnel sensation in any dream COULD simply be caused by pressure on the optic nerve. As well the pressure on your chest might be nothing more then a common sensation during a particular phase of sleep when breathing can be laboured.

Your dream could be symbolic of something you are working on and is bothering you or if I were to guess from just reading what you wrote (and it is only aguess nothing else) simply common manifestations during sleep that have no deeper meanings at all.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to push so hard! :laugh:

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My bf has said that he has experienced a hellish near-death experience. After an accidental OD on a then legal research chemical (commonly called Foxy), he was taken to the ER and had the whole stomach pumping thing. He has told me a few details about it, including his experience of "the loop" which he since discovered has occured to many other people. This changed his life, and he occaisionaly has flashbacks. He desciribes it as experiencing universal, total, infinate pain in a tornado of wailing faces, and felt that this was "hell." What he experienced is not unique. Others have had the same. He says that he felt it was a warning, but that he could be able to change his destiny, and that others can as well.

I wouldn't be suprised because foxy methoxy can have some erratic weird effects (even at low doses).

I remember seeing a film at the theatre about NDE back in the late 1970s. I forgot what it was called.. But I'm sure someone would remember it. It was kind of a Documentary but it was a big budget film. Most of the NDE's were people seeing the usual brite white tunnel and being greeted by Family members. But the few that committed suicide ended up in a very hellish place. Is this embedded memory of some kind. maybe years of being told that being evil or committing the ultimate sins will cause you to go to hell.. or is there some truth to it. I seem to be the only Christian here. Though I am more open minded. I kind of think none of these people died and went to heaven. I was taught that we would wouldn't be judged until Judgment day. Unless when we die we see Judgment day first hand. But, I have read alot of stories which people seemed so convincing that they died and saw family> Why would so many people make this up? Is it false memories or is it mass hallucinations taught to us from childbirth? One known well known person I heard that experienced this was Johnny Cash. I'm a big fan of his, and I think he he has a beautiful soul. I know he was a bad boy as a young man (I think that goes with most of us) but in his end times, he truly had me believe that at least He saw the tunnel of white. I guess only time will tell. Good luck to all of us.

Reality is an illusion.

The illusion we create for ourselves is our reality

Its not reality thats the illusion its us, we cant change reality we can only change ourselves to a certain degree and anyone who thinks they can is deluded and obviously not satisfied with the reality and situation they currently live in....as for the near death experiences...think about it they are after all...NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES not actual death experiences so why would you go to heaven or some afterlife if you aint dead

That was so well written, and it scared the life out of me. I gotta say if I was you, I would have praised the lord also and would never question my faith again, be it real or chemical reactions. That was just terrifying...