Paranormal the things unexplained by science.

What is paranormaL?

Once upon a time, an individual explored a vast open space called the internet...her daughter had seen a flying disk hoffering over the near by prison and it zoomed through the air. Her daughter was scared and left in deep fear..afraid to go to bed hearing footsteps outside her window and fearing an alien adoption. Now what great thing can a MOM do to settlte her daughters fears???

Well a visit to the internet may do just well..we will see if her sitings matched any on board the first web address they could locate...
....and sure enough the pictures do match!!! the daughter is now even more sure the aliens are after her..what shall a mother do?...my oh my the suspense of the story!!
....well the mom explores the site further with the 14 year old and at last humor is there and the sites are not as post traumatic...the daughter still beleives in the ufos and the aliens..but she is more convinced that they must be creations from GOD and sure enough he has the world in a logical once upon a time story that truly makes sense!!!..Now as for the mom, the story gets really suspenseful for out of the blue are strange inquiries that are utterly full of nonsense and highly debatable!!! The thriller gets richer as people on the web site are hostile and arguementative..but really in fear too over the things happening on the earth. One inparticular is in deep sorrow and pain over the coming attractions as they are related from the past (history and sociology) he fears he will loose his soul and not have any fun..all of the tomorrows and every yesterday will have been for naught!!! Will it matter how the story will end?? not really for it will end...

For those who love happy endings: a happy ending...and for those who love horrors: a sad ending...dust to dust. (The end).

PS: The story closes as a young 18 year boy wraps up all the post and ties them in a cute little bundle with a pretty little bow on them giving glamour to the site.

Nice writing in the paranormal..can science explain this story?

No but I can! I have no fear of losing my soul...I have no despair other than for the human condition. I have no fear of the past, the present or the future...I have my apprehensions about how it shall be dealt with..but Ben always deals with everything...he might get lazy and let things drift for a while...but when confronted, he is a lion.

As for Xander being an 18 year old who wraps everything up nicely..it shows how ignorant of the internet you really are. Running a forum like this is a huge responsibility..all it takes is one poster to go off somewhere they shouldn't and then suddenly the door is open to all kind of wacko's, freako's and jackasses who come in and kill a forum. Drives all the good folks away you see. It has to be tight and yet I think Xander manages to keep it tight whilst retaining the most freedom I've seen on any forum.

And you know something else Lona? He's done it all with his own name Xander, I've been Ben from day one, Matt has been Matt and Cat has been Cat for a long time now even your adversary Dingo has been Dingo. To get our way or have our say we've never had to pretend to be anyone else. We've never had to lie or invent personna's. It's something I would reccomend to she who said she would never come back here again.

I am now forced to ask a question Lona...I do not wish to ask the question but when someone does the exact opposite of what they say they will do and uses a different identity to do so....I feel obliged to ask.

Do you suffer from a mental illness?

Ben

Ben, we all suffer a mental illness. We are all imperfect in an imperfect world. If I post common sense about a God and can reflect from all fields of science how these things are so...you address me as mentally ill...but it is because I am dedicated and my dedication is one of freedom that binds you into a tissy thinking I should walk a certain way. It is your delusions of what is my walk that makes me seem sick..when you are in fact the one making lude remarks about holiness as though there is none. If there was no holiness..then why do you demand me to be holy?????

One...I don't say you are mentally ill...I ask if you are..subtle difference Shomyra.

Holiness is nothing more than a 'mapping on' exercise from humans to artefacts which embody them with some power. The Turin shroud for example was once probably a pissed on sheet from a hotel bedroom that ended up with this 'face and body' emerging. It is all in the eye of the beholder and the mind of the curious.....you look with your eyes and I'll look with mine...all I'm saying Lona is that I believe I have better eyesight.

Ben

Ah, yes! The shroud of Turin... So simple to forge. It was first presented by a knight, who then sold it for a pretty penny. I even know how it could have been made. Wetten the cloth, have a metal cast of a head, heat it up, place the cloth on the "head", and press it against it, making the eyes and such more visible. Apply the same technique to the rest of the body, remove, and presto! A brand new Jesus-nappie. The same thing was repeated in later days, and the two shrouds mached in fibrecondition (just a small piece of the shroud was allowed to be cut away).

It's ok to believe in God, but do me a favour and don't believe in the power of artefacts?

Dros why not?
Opal princess

Shoudlen't have said that... If you believe that there is a God, you might as well belive in artefacts... But why would God make artefacts? He never responds/helps us in prayer, so why make little peices of cloth that posess power? And what have they (artefacts) done that's so great?? Just because some cloth looks like Jesus' gymtowel, means that it is embued with power? Let's put it this way: Why should you believe in them?

Would you wanna wear Jesus's Gymntowel...eeuch! I don't care what powers it has it's not going near my bits when it's been near someone else's...even if it is Jesus.

Ben

Actually, you don't wear the shroud. It's well locked down in a glass casing. The point I think is to just have it by your side or something, I don't know how close you have to be, to be affected by it

LOOK AGAIN...Christians are divided..some are bundled for the fire (matthew 13)..see also the thread "defending the truth...THE SOCIETY OF JEHOVAH"S WITNESSES DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE SHROUD OF TURIN...

you knew this too Ben..

In fact, you know that Jehovah's people do not use any artifacts and hold no superstitions...you even know the truth about the torture stake...don't you, Ben?..another truth that could never had been said before..because of the primitive nonsense trying to say...GOD exist>>>of course he does..and until you grow enough to say "father" you will not go beyond the milk of the Christ...

Mature, Ben..but then again...maybe you are using your cleverness now to publish the good news...

Jehovah's Witnesses are the Christians that are mentioned at Daniel 12...the righteous ones!..but this is held out to all mankind..to be who you are created to be...a righteous living soul!!!The door is open...and it is a great door...an the idea of true freedom comes automatically as you walk the spirit existence you are created in the image of....no feeling of slave..it is a freind...that we are of GOD and his son. I dance on the thin line of the straight and narrow...I can do a flip and land on my feet..I have perfect balance..even in my human fralities>>>when I begin to fall...oops..there the line is..red and strong!...learn to walk a tight rope...freedom!

Ok, no artefacts, but there are other things that turn me of conscerning JW. They are passive and don't go to war. Somwetimes, wars ARE neccesary. I'm not pro war usually, but sometimes there are no other solutions, and then it could be nice to see some spine on JW. Second, you NEVER give blood. If someone is critically injured in an accident, and even if it's your own freaking baby (!), you won't give away some of your blood, because it's "Holy". That is really disapointing. And the third reason being that you constanly nag others to join your religion. Believe us, we know that you are out there. That's not the reason we don't become one of you. Other than those, I don't think I have any other bones to pick with you guys.

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Ok, no artefacts, but there are other things that turn me of conscerning JW. They are passive and don't go to war. Somwetimes, wars ARE neccesary. I'm not pro war usually, but sometimes there are no other solutions, and then it could be nice to see some spine on JW. Second, you NEVER give blood. If someone is critically injured in an accident, and even if it's your own freaking baby (!), you won't give away some of your blood, because it's "Holy". That is really disapointing. And the third reason being that you constanly nag others to join your religion. Believe us, we know that you are out there. That's not the reason we don't become one of you. Other than those, I don't think I have any other bones to pick with you guys.

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I will leave you alone..you may bypass my post...but let me just inform you of the peace that will be emmitted from the rule of Christ with the help of like minded passive ones. Also, we are firmly understanding the reasons that Jehovah said to abstain from eating blood..it is an act of freewill to follow that information...and as you have requested..I will not adress you ..since you do not want our research abilities. This is between you and GOD..not between you and Jehovah's Witnesses....but ask and we shall try to give what we have some of.

Today, I have been threatened with my religion...the unbeleivers want me disfellowshipped>>>so, I HAVE ASKED SEVERAL ON HERE IF THEY ARE DISFELLOWSHIPPED WITNESSESS>>>i AM UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO THAT..>>BUT i AM UNDER THE FREEWILL DEDICATION ACT TO LEAVE IF ONE OF YOU ARE HERE...APOSTAACY IS SERIOUS! (This is the process of making my own religion>>>I have not done that>>>That is for sure!

I want you all to know that I am in integrity..and have been even as Myra Midon..with name means "Loyal one"...the shaaman was a metaphoric illustration to please the language of the hearers>>>i WAS A ROMAN TO THE ROMANS>>>

Post any complaints to the Potosi Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
Potosi, Missouri 63664

I MAY get in more trouble for the hate mail you will send then the fact I am here>>>The brothers are mostly old and they work hard in the feild...I think they would enjoy the mail for a while JUST BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE i SPREAD THE MESSAGE OF JehovahGod AND HIS kINGDOM.JEHOVAH IS THE SOVERIGN OF ALL THE UNIVERSE>...if you would like to try to get me disfellowshipped AND YOU THINK YOU CAN GO AHEAD>. I will enjoy their reactions...and we will all have a meeting of minds>>>I will post more reasons for my posting certain things on here if you want me to get this technical?...really...XANDER IS THIS THREAD OKAY?

I would go into great detail here , lona, on many of the issues some have brought up and you choose to ignore, but.....

when a Jehovah's Witness is criticized for a particular organizational teaching or confronted with controversial and documented facts that make the Society appear questionable, then that person is labeled an ‘apostate,’ an 'opposer' or 'quarrelsome' and is then ignored.

This attitude is quite contrary to what the Society openly proclaimed in the earlier days of its history. Its second president, Joseph Rutherford claimed:


"If the message the Jehovah's Witnesses are bringing to the people is true, then it is of greatest importance to mankind. If it is false, then it is the duty of the clergymen and others who support them to come boldly forward and plainly tell the people wherein the message is false." Golden Age, 1-18- 33, p.252 .

And Just a small issue as I will be ignored or be told I have it all wrong(Which I do not) is the issue of blood transfusion.
Jehovah's Witnesses use for their guide a booklet called, "Jehovah's Witnesses and the Question of Blood." They begin by quoting Genesis 9:4:
"But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

Read this scripture verse again, carefully. Rather than prohibiting the eating of blood, this verse clearly forbids the eating of UNBLED MEAT! ("flesh with its life - its blood") Animals were to be slaughtered and their blood drained, insuring their death, and then the bled meat could be eaten, but on no account were God-fearing people to eat unbled meat. This scripture in no way deals with the eating of blood alone - the blood was to be poured out, and the flesh was to be eaten. Nothing more is implied.

Jehovah's Witnesses are told that "eating blood" is the same as "transfusing blood" since transfused blood bypasses the stomach and goes directly into the bloodstream to nourish the body. The Watchtower quotes for its support of this theory, Genesis 9: 5,6, which reads:
"And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

These verses are clearly discussing murder or manslaughter, for it involves the taking of life, and the person whose blood was shed died. This is hardly the case with blood transfusions. The person donating the blood does not die and the person receiving the blood very often has his life saved.

Animal blood was to be completely drained before the flesh was to be eaten. Humans, with or without their blood, were at no time to be eaten! Therefore, this scripture can in no way be applied to the eating or transfusing of blood, when read in context.


I suppose I could go on and on quoting scripture, but I left all that behind a while ago.
JW's take this issue of blood from Mosaic law, there is no such command to be found in the New Testament. Only in the Law of Moses can such a command be found. Yet Jehovah's Witnesses who claim they are not under Mosaic Law have to appeal exclusively to that Law in order to deny their members the right to store their own blood to save their lives.

Eating "flesh with its blood" brought about only the mildest of reprimands under the Law! How different from the harsh stand of Jehovah's Witnesses, who would sentence their members to eternal death for the same offense.

Lona, You have a right to believe in God, you have aright to free speech, what you do not have a right to, is to tells others they are wrong because they do not listen or disagree and are then like Dros ignored . We are not JW's, some here would not even know what laws and practices are taught in your organisation and some(to me) are pretty worrying).
But that is my personal oppinion and you have yours also.

If you are facing a crisis of faith hunny, then I suggest
A. you get out of kingdom Hall before it takes you under
or
B.Go to another site where your veiws will be appreciated and listened to without criticism.

You cannot have it both ways, beleive me, I know.

I hope you you can find peace and happiness with your God, I really do, but you are doing yourself no favours by condeming peeps here.

This is not said in anger to you, but with concern and a greater understanding of what some types of religious organisations can do to you.

If you choose to ignore me then that is up to you hunny, I cannot make you do anything you do not want to do.
Peace be with you in all you do.

God this is confusing...I thought this was the paranoral forum...Once upon a time..not the religious forum...I came in for a nice wee chat about ghosts and all I see is some guy called Jehova all over the place...Er how many of us have your permission to bypass your posts Lorna?
Who are you trying to convert? Are you trying to convince yourself that you are right because you yourself have doubts?

I myself give my blood freely I'd even give it to you if you had need...not that you'd accept..
OOPs sorry I was wrong...the title is 'once upon a time'... yep this is all about a story book. Bit of a novel actualy adventure thriller murder love what was it called? Yes The bible ( No Offence meant to those who have a real faith)

Opal Princess

Dross like your comments and Clan what a brilliant post. :glasses: :pimp: :pimp: :glasses:

You may bypass my post???? I will not address you since you do not want our research abilities? Sorry Lona but this is a public forum and if he chooses to he can do what he likes with your posts. As for not addressing him the minute you commit finger to keyboard you address everyone on this forum this isn't 'pick 'n' mix...but it does prove one point....that Lona Skaggs still thinks it's her platform for teaching the world the truth. Let me spread the good news then Lona...some of us really don't care! Some of us do care but don't give two hoots about your views. And there may be some who do. But don't for one minute think you get away with preaching what you like and have those that disagree stand idly by on the sidelines.

Ben

Edited to add...I have been a frequent contributor to this thread and it would be wrong of me to intervene as a moderator. However Dingo has made a couple of replies when the thread was genuinely (almost) paranormal way back from about post 1 to 6. Could I ask therefore that another moderator move it to where it belongs which is in the religious section.? Thank you.

Lorna you are converting no-one with your posts because you are too busy putting everyone else down...You make people want to argue with you... Do you really think the people who post here are the type to send hate mail? Thats rather damming isn't it? Why come here at all if all you feel that way about us..I havn't met anyone on this forum who is even likely to think 'Oh shes pissed me off...I know lets send hate mail'
I'm sure you haven't either.... The difference between complaints and challenges and hate mail is somewhat bigger than perhaps you percieve.
Opal Princess

I don't see anything wrong with this thread other than the fact that it could have been posted in any of the other 2000 threads you started.

Ben

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Lorna you are converting no-one with your posts because you are too busy putting everyone else down...You make people want to argue with you... Do you really think the people who post here are the type to send hate mail? Thats rather damming isn't it? Why come here at all if all you feel that way about us..I havn't met anyone on this forum who is even likely to think 'Oh shes pissed me off...I know lets send hate mail'
I'm sure you haven't either.... The difference between complaints and challenges and hate mail is somewhat bigger than perhaps you percieve.
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From Lona:
Yes, Opal>>>I try to keep quotes separate...the bullentin board thinky did n't isolate it in the usual line dividers??>>>>>anyway


Well, we will see if Ben decides to...it was his question>>>what would happen if I did...question ...in the death by the devil thread....

But Opal..truly, I am only responding to the post..I really start threads as a response to get another response and hopefully I will get a positive response...Peopel hate me without a cause>>>also as I have said BEFORE >>>It is hard to change oneself>>>how could I ever convert anyone>>>it is a personal relationship between you and Jehovah..if you care to have one or not>>>not one between you and a religious group>>>I am hear describing me as a witness>>>an individual witness...and defending the truth the best that I can in my imperfection>>>cause as you can see I am not perfect>>>I am truly a sinner>>>but I do not practice sin>>>I find out the problem and make adjustments...I will apologize and try to admend any offense>>>are you disfellowshipped witness?
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Thanx for your support, fellas

And Lona, this has gotten all out of hand. You have come here with the intensions of passing on and protecting your beliefs. You opened many threads and bit over more than you can chew. That got a lot of people annoyed, and here we are. It seems as if the whole forum is against you, Lona. If you would instead back of a tad, play it cool, and not make 6000 threads about why you think JW's are right, we could have had some good conversations. I allways give people another chance, so I beg of you to just cool down (and ben too, perhaps) and talk about something else. keep an open perspective, Lona.

Just because I don't believe in ghosts, don't mean I bring it up during a "why are they making cropcirlces"-thread, does it? You feel as though you are being put down and cornered into only posting in the religion-part of the forum. That is simply because you bring in God in every post. Perspective, Lona, perspective.

If you made www.god-in-heaven-forum.com, and made the forum for believers in God, you would aske people to talk about just that, wouldn't you? And if someone wants to talk about aliens (even God related beliefs of aliens) you would ask of them to post in the alien-part of the forum, right?