Suppose humans are alone in the universe because

-evolution follows the same pattern everytime, before any planets intelligent life discovers a way to communicate over long distances to other planets and before it learns to travel long distances through space......

..........they discover weapons that are so powerful a few can destroy all and that it what eventually happens everytime............

say for some reason the universe is set up like some synchronistic, clockwork machine and every few billion years life pops up at some point in the universe where the conditions are perfect, being that the universe exists a long long time these small bursts of life activity are snuffed out by themselves rather quickly before reaching the point of anykind of expansion into other galaxies etc

This would mean that whatever beings are capable of avoiding conflict due to their non aggressive nature, would have to avoid earth like a plague since aggressive species would be put into somekind of interstellar quarantine until they prove themselves non aggressive and enlightened enough to join starfleet.......

*takes a second hit off the crackpipe

Not doubt this is the case on occasions. You neglect that not everyone is that stupid. I am sure a good precentage are claimed by this very thing. But don't let your confusion on what to about nutyness get in the way of seeing that must people every where want to live and every now and then that shines thru. Not to mention some people going off to other planets with an education and a lack of a drive to kill everyone elss off.

Lets not forget that the a-bomb will not go off by accident. It takes a very controlled situation and alot of resources. Somewhere out there I am sure there is a race that is not so @#$% up as to not notice that these are in the works and do something about it.

War is costly. It takes alot of recources. Even mild atempts to interfere with those recources can devastate the ability to fight a war. Not even the "terroists" can fight a war. They are too stupid and incompetent. They need suppiles form the US war machine and US funding to keep going on top of large amounts from other sources. One has so be stupid AND crazy not to notice. It is ALWAYS run by crazy people in powerful positions. Take them out and the rest is too expensive keep going.

I agree but wont there eventually come a point where technology has advanced enough for one smart person to build a very powerful weapon with their own with minimal resources?

For example nanoprobes are programmed by a sick scientist to not only create more nanoprobes but to actually destroy everything they come across.

I think there have been a few times that we were on the brink of nuclear war.

Civilizations have always gone on a repiticious upward helix with evidence that they have had nuclear wars before. Stories of Indra and the flying darts or missles, Balders Eye, or radar. Places on the earth that have turned up vitrified stone that only is the kind of vitrification that occurs from nuclear bombs such as The Towers of Formor in Britian, areas around where Sodom and Gomorah in Israel, valleys in South America, ancient atomic dump waste sites found in India and so many other finds and stories.

Great wars between the equivilant of west verses the east in the past. Indra's and Atlantis verses the Raven with Eastern Asia and land areas of the Pacific against each other. A War that extended throughout the solar system that allegedly destroyed the 5th. planet Meldeck, home world of many of the First Nations such as the Hopi. Mars loosing its seas and most of its population. So many legends it makes you wonder how such tales became to be.

Accounts all over the world of naphem raining down on the earth to burn up its forests. from Asia to even the First Nations stories being the same. Time of Gideon of 'Barad" falling on the earth or meteors in such abundance , were they the remants of Maldek hitting us in a massive space war?

The more detailed accounts from the Arabian Nights by Sir Richard Burton of Noah's Ark or Nepths. Relating of automatic quidance systems to go back and forth to the Americas and carrying lab genetic specimens of all living creatures and man to Mimir's Well, a special underground complex built to ensure the furture survival of manikind. Mimir being the equal of Moses or Menes and as the Mohawk Clan Mother Confer it is the same as Manitou where he and others and this stuff is keep in vaults under Canada. Canada meaning and mentioned in the Indus Valley and Appliclahian scripts. Can or Serpent and Ada means land. One plance is Sleeping Giant up near ThunderBay Ontario.

Tales of airforces , planes and more in the Arabian Nights under Solomon, a title. Other stories about ancient gods in Egypt, Sumeria , Greece and more places. The taking of the first born also in the Arabian Nights , of the Jann and etc to places of suspended animation. Even the Bible, in the Christ state, dead but not dead , but asleep in the secert places. The real meaning of the dead returning in the near future as to some have already have done so from Atlantis in 1925.

Every civilization in the past as a whole or lesser part of our own has harvested its crop for the future. We may well head once more into the repeat of nuclear war, but is it part of our natural way to cull ourselves back down to the beginning once more, as other mammals do by getting plagues.

Maybe the next wave of mankind will be part nano and a form of new higher cyborgian evolultion attunned to the cosmos and life out there?

Life exists out there, I'm sure about that -- it's the only logical answer I can think of when posed with the question of 'does life exist on other celestial bodies?'.
That any life we may encounter is of an intelligence we can comprehend, I seriously doubt. I doubt, in fact, that Homo sapiens will encounter extraterrestrials at all, given our current predicament. Furthermore, the current search is, as I said above, for recognizable intelligence; humans seem to have a narrow range as to what they accept as 'intelligent,' so that won't help if life is encountered.

First order of business is to find any life and study it deeply. That would greatly help us understand the possibility of possible large-brained, 'intelligent' entities out there.

I'm rightfully pessimistic about the whole search, however. Unless humans can think outside of themselves and accept some other (very easy, less ego-boosting) concepts, they'll remain large, big-brained, war-loving chimpanzees until their extinction.

awh put the crack pipe down aliensigns, if you gota smoke somthing smoke pot alot better for you than crack

Ivan...could explain this a little better or perhaps clue me in on where you get your information...and if you could also inform me what naphem is that could destroy forests?.....or are you talking about napalm?

I found Sleeping Giant a peaceful place....though I never heard of the caverns you are speaking about in that area

How much work do you think it takes to kill one person. It is not very much. If there were only one man alive we would be indanger as a race. How hard is it to kill off 1000. It is not as easy. At 6.5 billion not even a well organizied terrorist can kill us all off. But he can kill 1000. By the time we can handle the kind of force that could kill off 6.5 billion we han handle space flight.

But that is not the whole picture. It is in fact very narow minded. You see it is not a mater of 1 vs 1. It is a mater of 1 vs 1000. Did you ever ask yourself what happened to Rome? They have long sense died off and now are only a page in history. They didn't need big bombs to take down the largest and most powerful nation in history at the time. All their work made this big empire. Half way thru its life, it died. The other half was spent killing itself until these barbarians could walk thru the defences. The point is that many had to work to kill themselves off until they finaly got the ability (even with their primitive technology) to do what a big bomb would have done.

You can't have a bomb or what ever that can destroy a planet without working realy hard to kill off a planet. Rome had 450 years to say "let's become sane about this." We have 5,000 years (you get the idea, what ever it is we have a long time) to say "lets not figuire out how to kill everyone off." We are faced with the ability to kill man off right now with the size of our nulcear arsenal. But not enough people are willing to turn over everything we have to someone that would use it. Why?, we don't want to die. If you go to any country on earth and ask people if they want to kill off all Americans they would say "no". You may get a very few that would say "yes". The nuty people that want to kill off everyone are very few. It is a very big oddity how it is that these very few can have all the incredible work done to kill off the many and never, after thousands of years say "no", until one day, it is too late and the few can kill every one elss off.

It is a billion to 1 chance that the people that want to live would be over taken by the 1s that don't. It takes alot of work, cooperation, planing, money, training, and all elss to get the kind of power that it takes to kill every one off and not get stopped. I think it is safe to say that somewhere, there is a group that kept the nuty guys from ever getting their hands on that kind of power. And long after they had it, kept it in hands that would not use it to kill every one off. This and no other, is the reason that it takes such an advanced technology for the few to kill off the incradiably many.

SM.....very well said.

Thank you, but I was in a hury and make alot of typos, please up date you post.

Dear god, if I see 'race' combined with 'human' one more time....

I agree that 99% of people would not want to spend their days in a nuclear winter but you can't say for sure that we would discover interstellar travel before we discovered weapons capable of killing everyone.

For one thing there are already enough nukes out there to kill off all life via a nuclear winter.

Weapons are a priority over space travel for the most part imo. During the cold war both things were going so maybe they go hand in hand.

I think you are too quick to say that nuclear war couldnt happen. We have already dropped bombs on Japan.

As soon as say China launched its nukes we would launch ours, we are constantly on the brink of nuclear war.

I do agree though that at this time our plant is at a stalemate because like you said everyone doesent want to die. Its a lose/lose situation for all of us.

I do see nuclear war happening if someone like Hitler rose to power in a nuclear capable country.

He might think he could cause significant damage to other countries quick enough to disallow their retaliation. His plans could be to pick up the scraps of the world under a new order. Things could get out of control though and everyone could end up dying.

I think the middle east is full of fanatics that wouldnt mind setting off a couple nukes to finally get rid of those they hate. This could cause a chain reaction.

As time goes on it will become easier and easier for a few to destroy many so no your 6 billion vs. 1 example does not always hold up.

ALIENSIGNS...I think that the real active ingrediant that causes our developement of weapons of war and destruction, is our world segregations.
Honestly, look at all the different countries, cultures and languages not to mention those endless miles of borders that are guarded, and all the militaries of these different countries and governments.
From what I have heard our EARTH is most unique for this.
Think about it, if a world had no other government or country to fight, dispute, compete or argue against and all the worlds people worked together mostly peacefully...it would'nt be hard to imagine a civilization progressing without the threat of self destruction.

I understand what you are saying, funny enough, I even agree that there are a few races out there that blow themselves up.

But can you make a nuclear warhead? Do you think you can get your hands on enough warheads to give us all one last cold winter? I don't think so, I think people are not so stupid that they make it that easy. If we said for a moment that at some future date, that a nut got his hands on these warheads, and we were all going to get it, I think you would find that allot had to happen for that guy to got them. You would think that on a planet of 6.5 billion people, that someone would notice either it and do something, or bring it to the attention some one that would.

I am not saying it can't happen, I am saying that for it to happen, you have to deserve it. You have to let nuty people get their hands on this stuff or let people rule over others that would let it happen. For us, 6.5 billion people would have to take part in a world that would let it happen.

There is a huge error in the thinkingness of man. This is something he misses everyday and it is killing him. It is that as you become more able, you can not live life the same way. "Too much freedom is bad!" is how it goes.

I.e. a wimp gets some muscles and is now able to beat up his bullies. Or, man builds a car and industry and people everywhere start driving around, and pollution will kill us all as we've gotten better at polluting at the same time.

This flaw is so deeply embedded that we all know that the guy that suddenly gets too much power, like is make king from nothing, will mess up peoples lives, or gets a super powerful magical control over the world around him and will start killing people when he gets angry. Where do people say "gee, instead of killing myself and others, I should learn to live my life a little different to control this power, and perhaps do some good in the world, even become valuable" However, people in this world know what you would do with that power -mass destruction. And we know that these people must be stopped!

Well, there is a stage in every advancing civilization were they get the ability to kill themselves off. All the "nuts" running around can get their hands on guns and bombs and can do some real damage. This points out that we can not live the same as we once did. We need a better understanding of how the mind ticks. We can not live the same as we have been and we soon will not be able to fight wars with ourselves, for fear of there being no tomorrow. I think every civilization goes through this one way or another in the next few stages we are about to undergo. We will do it, or we will die. Same for everyone else.

Note: This is the true reason for the Star Trek's prime directive. It is not that every one would go nuts just because you showed some primitives a spaceship. Its that if they get their hands on guns (something they have never had before), they may just go out and shoot everyone! Or think that you will shoot them and then go nuts!

sorry on the spelling, sight is bad now. Native and other peoples legends tell of a time when napalm fell from the skies and burnt the forests also meteors.
Barad ( meteor ) in time of Gideon. Nw First nations as well. Have to check my mss I wrote decades ago as got lot of info from legends of the sinking of Atlantis and other legends, China, First nations and etc. Lot too was alleged of the destruction of the fifth planet Maldek and what it did to the earth.

Sleeping Giant even to the First Nations is suppose to be a vault where peole are suspended animation. The real Menes, or Manitou and talks with a Mohawk Clan Mother lot of this came out as we talked of the Sky people and Ant people latter meaning those of the Inner and Hollow Earth.

All over the world mountain formations like sleeping persons are vaults. One did open in South America that brought Wotan, Persephone the daughter of King Chronus out.. Did a big article on this in Ancient Astronaut mag when young. Some people I know have met them as well. Tablets too were found in Peterbourgh Ontario Canada mounds from Wotan.

It would be hard to find the entrances until the time is right and right people go to say Sleepng Giant , then it activates the entrance, be it by genes, a connection to go there or some odd activation as it did in south America in 1925. But when the time come here, it will be mostly a First Nation expedition for this vault. Ayers Rock may be one too, but is so old that it would predate last Lemuria by many ages.

Places too like the Face and other figures on Mars well may be ones too of
long gone better days for their people. von Daniken thought this concept of the Atlanitis suspended animation would be the most logical and even for alien beings coming here to do such so that they can reawaken in the future.

Guess, this is what is mean't by the dead coming back in revelations:tease:

adolf hitler and nazi germany anyone??

I don't think everything goes through the same evolution pattern. if a planet has a different makeup of different gasses then obviouslly cells would have to develope differently to adapt making their creatures different in size or shapes. Humanoid creatures might look completly different and develope a different way of thinking and maybe forced to advance in technology slower or faster then on earth.

I agree, originally Superman was strong because the planet he was from was bigger and thus had more gravity. It was later changed so superman got his power from earths yellow sun.

You know, if you give one guy a tool, he may take it and make something nice. Another may not use it to make anything, he might just use it as a weapon. And still another may use it to make a weapon. And last, another may only look at it and put it down to go off and do something else.

There is a wide range personalities here and of course else were too.

But, even with very different tastes in art, the real world acts the same. Space is space even around the next solar system. The design of ships can vary, but they must do certain things. Under gravity like ours chemical rockets will always be the first ships into space for a blooming civilization.

That means that they must be able to handle and control explosive mixes. And right behind that is the power to blow others up with guns and bombs. Did they blow each other up? That is a mater of personality, not tools.

Let us say that there was a time when a person could WANT to kill some one but coudn't. It would not mean much in that case. Later if people got there hands on the MEANS to kill some one (or many to push the point home) then it would become nessisary to change the way you think or face unneeded destruction and problems. It is a phase that anyone must learn.