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Ivan
post Feb 13 2007, 06:13 PM
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The following is a detailed edited account of my first alien encounter that was also published in 'Ancient Astronaut Magazine' and other Ufo magazines in 1977. Other accounts of the encounter were on earlier radio and tv talk shows here in Canada, New Zealand and U.S. Also in UFO Encylopedia by Margaret Sachs.

I was only in my late 15th year when on Oct. 19th. 1960 my life was to be drastically altered that evening. I had the overwelming compusion to leave home and travel out to the area near Niagara Falls and Welland Ontario Canada from Toronto. I got out there and along the side roads with the broading dark sillouettes of trees with no light from the moon to light my way in a clear starry sky. Why was I out here . what was pulling me into this frightening desolate night?

Suddenly the whole area around me lit up with the most brillant, but not blinding light. The light was coming from above me and just above the trees. I looked up into the source of the light and there was a large bluish white smooth saucer craft a hundred feet above me or less and about that size in diameter.

Motionless, the craft hovered above me. Was this what had drawn me out to this place? Somehow I knew this object was not from this civilization and was indeed an alien craft. I thought to myself, why couldn't there be life on other worlds and capable of travelling to earth. I had never thought of ufos before this encounter.

I tried to take full advantage of the situation as I thought I had nothing to loose and called out; "Who are you-what do you want?"

Then the most unexpected thing happened; A loud resonating voice spoke out of the flying saucer , saying; " Do not be afraid, we will not harm you. We will return tomorrow night to confirm the sighting and visit you."

I had not expected this, and after a few moments the saucer began to move to the Northeast, gaining altitude quickly and sped away in a burst of speed, dematerializing in the clear sky. I then made my way to Niagara Falls , hitchiking once more and later was picked up by my very pissed off parents for taking off from home.

I prepared to go to high school the next day and had clean folded clothes on my dresser. It soon was 11 p.m. and everyone had gone to sleep, I had a strange feeling as if someone was watching me as I sat near my bed in my pyjamas. I called out; " Who is there..are you from the flying saucer?" Then a for of telepathic voice answered; 'Don't be afraid, prepare yourself."

Then a total blackness took over me, not one from sleep either and found myself on board a flying saucer! Looking around from inside of form of transparent tube that I was standing within I could see the craft was circuluar and of a bluish white metal. The instrument panels and floor were of the same metal. I stood there and then stepped down from the platform toward a man six feet high and with short white hair that contrasted with his metalic bronze coloured skin and sparkling blue eyes and vividly blue flight suit he wore. There was two other younger men there of the same type, but with ebony coloured hair.

Then the older alien approached me and said;" We have brought you here because there are many important things to be done in the future of Earth; these will change its history for the better or the worst as it all depends on where a person stands in relation to his civilization."

As he spoke of these thing we walked toward a viewing screen and he adjusted afew dials and we saw a view of Rio de Janerio at night time. Either we had travelled into the future or it was a time viewer, a view of a strange air that was tense as the city started to convulse, flames shot upward and saw a massive tidal wave coming in a thousand feet high as the land sank beneath the ocean and new land surfaced upward from the South Atlantic Ocean. A few years later the report from the International Geographic Year evidience did find that the land out in the South Atlantic Ocean off of Brazil is indeed rising.

The Alien then said; " This is only an example of what will be happening in your future as this civilization is coming to its end as have many greater ones in the past!"

He then showed me the rest of the ship, command center seat, other control panels as the control screens pulsated colours to reveal the energy densities and time waves we were in. Then mentioned : " Another reason why you are here now, besides seing the inside of the ship is we were wondering if you would like to help us?" The way he said this, I sort of got the impression that I was being told I was to be drafted by the local cosmic draft board.

"You must realize why you have been kept alive since birth when you should of died so many times, bafling the doctors as to why you keep recharging and still alive.? You are here to fullfill our needs!" ( I was born like a person in a cocoon and took years to remove it, then ill all my life until this happened) I realized too that many contactees had failed or died from government intervention and etc. and why? Because they could not see beyond the flying saucer as to what they were contacted for and do for all.

Now the real phase of the contacts were to begin with mankind. the silent ones would work secretly until they were ready to go forth. These being being born physcially here to establish a true identity and as prearranged to give up their body for 'Alien re-embodiment, as a sort of form of cloning- Walk-ins. I Understood from them that this was a natural part of evolution and mankind's function. Nothing belongs to one person not even their body which is only an organic shell we wear and the body can be loaned out at birth and then passed onto others for more important reasons or be a host for many others at once! All this I seemed to understand.

" Your present memories of your body will remain intact and keep a saftey factor for myself." The alien said. Also of other future things and people I was to meet to work with. It was at this time he mentioned where they were from; not any nearby planet or stars system, but from earth's own past of the ' CARBONIFERIOUS AGE'! They called themselves the AKONITIES!

It was time to leave and I was led back to the transparent tube and it was lowered down around me and him in the other one.. Th eother two aliens adjusted the controls for the tubes which I now understood were a form of teleporting tube. The following events were transcribed into a present book out by Hidden Nystery Books called" Teleportation- Star Trek to Nichlas Tesla ' I discovered on the internet. You can look it up and see the account of the teleportation as only person known to of given a detailed account of such an experience.

' Strange vivid colours surrounded me after the hazy, yellowish hue of the first process of energization had begun. The colours appeared as swirling indigo colours; whites, blues, yellows and many other indescribable colours. Waves of caressing energy ran through my body, purging my spirit, rendering my body a renovated house for a new resident."

'It was the most omnipresnet feeling of well being that a person could experience, not only an experience of feeling and seeing clours but also of wisdom and language it possessed. The whole universe seemede to be in those colours and it would only take time and meditation to understand the laws and secrets it talked about.' How long it took I do not know until I awoke once more to find my clean clothes in a ozone smelling heap in the corner of the room, where before they were neatly folded clean on the dresser.

I knew it had really happened and could not tell anyone yet of this encounter. I seemed to know so many things I could not know of and my body felt all new and the illnesses I had that were killing me, like being allergic to everything, bad lungs and so on had totally gone. Images of other worlds, ages and more flashed through my mind now, e.s.p. abilities had flared up right away with different types coming and going. My whole perasonality changed over night and became quite outgoing. I told no one and in Feb 1961 I was shanghaied by the C.I.A. and the test on me showed high e.s.p. and was subjected to truth serum ; a serum that was not approved until 16 years later in 1968 and questioned as to what happened on the flying saucer and who I was to meet. I developed a strong reaction to the serum and almost died. Now I was really interested as to what was and flying saucers as there had to be something really going on.:confused:

It was only my youth and that i nearly died that saved me and finally certain other government powers interviened and got me out..

During 1962 I resumed my telportation contacts with the Arkonians or Arkonites, Now I was often part of the crew, using the instruments to fly the craft. I went back to their time and city, the city being where the Lake St.Clair west land mass is now. It was an age of splendor with beautiful shallow seas and lakes with an over abundance of spourous prehistoric plants and tall tree like plants. Over sized coloured mushrooms everywhere with amphibians scampering everywhere. Strange mammels also did exist back then, as the now known proto mammals discovered by palentologists. Beautiful domed behive like glowing buildings graced the landscape with swirled walkways spiralling down through the city. In the city plazas were dotted with monolithic stone structures or memphirs and behind one could see earth's original moon.

While in the Canadain Air Force for awhile I had one contact that around 50 people witnessed including Mr Founier, a friend who worked with Jo Ann McNeiver , mentioned in Jess Stern's book 'The Girl With The Blue Eyes' on past life reincarnation. There where three saucers hovering out over the tarmack and they saw me walk out and float up into one of the saucers and the saucer then took off. Later I returned before it was time for all of us to get up for the day. So much for going AWL by UFO.:laugh:

I met some of the people I was supposed to in 1963 and began having more types of alien and flying saucer contacts with them. Even ones from far regions of the universe. Trained in mind travel and other abilities along with research and doing things within this civilzation. Information on the past eras and ancient astronauts, time travel and many other interesting subjects. Then onto New Zealand in 1969 to help secure the saucer base there from the communist onslaught at the latter days of the Vietnam war, with other alien contact there and since, even with recent earth made saucers that are in debate and the 1982 interdimensional saucer contact here, along with one of the Spears of Destiny. The information to write the first Star People concept with my cousin Mabel and other matters dealing with this civilization and Hollow Earth. Lot of the earlier contacts a diary was kept by a friend and I on it, with information that often no one could back then just come up with it on their own.
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post Feb 13 2007, 08:51 PM
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i have to admit i stopped reading about halfway through, but after reading other post you have made i suspect i would not have gained anything from reading all anyway.

The following is a detailed edited account of my first alien encounter that was also published in 'Ancient Astronaut Magazine' and other Ufo magazines in 1977. Other accounts of the encounter were on earlier radio and tv talk shows here in Canada, New Zealand and U.S. Also in UFO Encylopedia by Margaret Sachs.


And i suppose like always you don't have anything to back up these statements.
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post Feb 13 2007, 09:18 PM
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Then onto New Zealand in 1969 to help secure the saucer base there from the communist onslaught at the latter days of the Vietnam war, with other alien contact there and since, even with recent earth made saucers that are in debate and the 1982 interdimensional saucer contact here, along with one of the Spears of Destiny.


Hey Ivan - One of the Spears of destiny? Thought there was only one....:confused:

Also, didn't it ever occur to you to ask for, or grab, a souvenir?
An ash tray? Towel? T-shirt?
"Something" to back this story up?

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm not saying I believe you either.

The only response, to your story, I can think of is......

Uhm....Cool.

:shrug:
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post Feb 13 2007, 09:29 PM
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i have to admit i stopped reading about halfway through, but after reading other post you have made i suspect i would not have gained anything from reading all anyway.



And i suppose like always you don't have anything to back up these statements.


I mentioned what magazine it was written up in Ancient Astronaut Magazine.
Also what other reference book it was in of Ufo Encylopedia by Margert Sachs and now look up too on the internet of Hidden Mystery Books , Teleportation, Star trek to Nicholas Tesla..
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post Feb 13 2007, 09:42 PM
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Ivan -
I don't think having your story reprinted, in some article, is the same as having something to back it up with.....
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post Feb 13 2007, 10:15 PM
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Ivan, next time your in there craft, buzz scottys house.


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post Feb 13 2007, 10:24 PM
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Hey Ivan - One of the Spears of destiny? Thought there was only one....:confused:

Also, didn't it ever occur to you to ask for, or grab, a souvenir?
An ash tray? Towel? T-shirt?
"Something" to back this story up?

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm not saying I believe you either.

The only response, to your story, I can think of is......

Uhm....Cool.

:shrug:


Yes there is more than one Spear of Destiny. The main one that pierced Christ's side and others that were dipped in the blood. The Germanicus lanze is one of the others and brought back to use in the late 70's. I find the study of it and its mysteries very interesting. It is believed that it came from another world to the son's of Cain as has special time organism attributes, does not rust, and a long history that so many have used and recorded about. It was hidden in Antarctica for a long time and then brought back with other related items to be used. The main Lanze was too as the one in Austria is a forgery created I understand by Col Hartman.

Some info on the internet as to this as well on different sites. It was the basis of the Indiana Jones concept of what those who did bring it back like Dr. W. Bernhart. See what you can find on him..also he published the Lost Diaries of Admiral Byrd too..that is where I get bloged by Tal for sending the diaries out all over the world..and etc. on the internet, even for Amazon books to sell there Hollow Earth novels.. sorry Ben.,,:cry: I would have to send so much attachments here of my mag stuff and more to convince him. and others.
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post Feb 13 2007, 10:39 PM
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i have to admit i stopped reading about halfway through, but after reading other post you have made i suspect i would not have gained anything from reading all anyway.



And i suppose like always you don't have anything to back up these statements.


Check those books and articles mentioned please. Enough on the internet on me by others as well.
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post Feb 13 2007, 11:12 PM
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Ivan, next time your in there craft, buzz scottys house.


Go one step further, and feel free to land.
(I'd like a souvenir at least! Coffee mug maybe?)
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post Feb 14 2007, 04:56 PM
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Von Däniken appeared before a magistrate while still a boy, charged with stealing money from the Boy Scouts. In the early 1960s, in his mid-20s, he was convicted of defrauding the hotel where he worked and petty theft, for which he was fined.
In 1967, at the age of 32, von Däniken was convicted of large scale embezzlement, forgery and tax evasion, and spent three and a half years in prison. During his time in prison he wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space (published in 1970).

Von Däniken denies any accusation of wrongdoing. He claims, for example, that the conviction leading to his imprisonment was the result of a conspiracy against him by members of the Catholic hierarchy in Switzerland, intended to discredit his theories.

Von Däniken has also used photographs of pottery depicting UFOs, claiming that the pottery came from an archaeological dig and dated to biblical times. The television series Nova determined that this was a fraud and located the potter who actually made those pots. When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his theories if they saw proof.

He has been accused of fabricating the Dropa stones controversy. Von Däniken claims to have originally been told the story of the Dropas in 1968 by Soviet science fiction writer Alexander Kazantsev. Kazantsev claims it was von Däniken who told him the story.[1] Mainstream critics consider the Dropa Stones to be a hoax

Erich Von Daniken. I was invited to appear on a televised panel discussion with Von Daniken in Toronto. He spoke about certain passages in the Old Testament that showed that Moses may have used a laser weapon against the enemies of the Israelites. And where could he get a laser in those ancient times, except from visiting aliens? Watching his performance, I began to understand the technique of half-truths that he was using. When it came my turn to speak, I said that by using the same technique that Von Daniken used, I could show that Manhattan was built by ancient astronauts.

Just thought i would share this
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post Feb 14 2007, 05:55 PM
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Von Däniken appeared before a magistrate while still a boy, charged with stealing money from the Boy Scouts. In the early 1960s, in his mid-20s, he was convicted of defrauding the hotel where he worked and petty theft, for which he was fined.
In 1967, at the age of 32, von Däniken was convicted of large scale embezzlement, forgery and tax evasion, and spent three and a half years in prison. During his time in prison he wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space (published in 1970).

Von Däniken denies any accusation of wrongdoing. He claims, for example, that the conviction leading to his imprisonment was the result of a conspiracy against him by members of the Catholic hierarchy in Switzerland, intended to discredit his theories.

Von Däniken has also used photographs of pottery depicting UFOs, claiming that the pottery came from an archaeological dig and dated to biblical times. The television series Nova determined that this was a fraud and located the potter who actually made those pots. When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his theories if they saw proof.

He has been accused of fabricating the Dropa stones controversy. Von Däniken claims to have originally been told the story of the Dropas in 1968 by Soviet science fiction writer Alexander Kazantsev. Kazantsev claims it was von Däniken who told him the story.[1] Mainstream critics consider the Dropa Stones to be a hoax

Erich Von Daniken. I was invited to appear on a televised panel discussion with Von Daniken in Toronto. He spoke about certain passages in the Old Testament that showed that Moses may have used a laser weapon against the enemies of the Israelites. And where could he get a laser in those ancient times, except from visiting aliens? Watching his performance, I began to understand the technique of half-truths that he was using. When it came my turn to speak, I said that by using the same technique that Von Daniken used, I could show that Manhattan was built by ancient astronauts.

Just thought i would share this


I don't debate this, as much of what he wrote was already in previous ancient anstronaut books. I never got credit for the star spheres in New Zealand even though it was in the papers there and ended up in European papers of which drew his attention to come down an visit. There are other well known writers too that take others stuff and make their forture and fame.But in this world you still try over look these things and keep in touch when need to deal with them. Not that you condone what he has done.

It is all of us who make the finds and others use them. You may come up with a great theory and write or talk about it and then you see it being used while you still are trying to borrow a bus ticket to get to work. We all have to deal with people with checkered pasts. If not we would not even deal with any corporations, churches, banks , politians and more. The city workers and polticians are far greater crooks and danger than Danieken ever could be and the real ones to watch out for and been fighting as to their scams.
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post Feb 14 2007, 09:15 PM
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I would not take this story at face value.
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post Feb 14 2007, 10:18 PM
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Hence the reason for a souvenir Scottman.....biggrin.gif
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Was it bright inside or tingley like electricity?

Did you wear a rubber suit?

Was the floor aluminum?
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post Feb 15 2007, 03:39 PM
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Was it bright inside or tingley like electricity?

Did you wear a rubber suit?

Was the floor aluminum?


Thanks for the information. I have read alot on these people mentioned and even at one time while in New Zealand, one ufolofist showed me a thick book by Tesla, It had an actual photo of his saucer. Tesla claimed it had 1 million volts and could pass even through him as no amperage. Photo of this too was shown. Tesla said in the book he had made a sucessful flight to the moon and back. Oh how I wish I could get my hands on that book as been searching ever since. Same with Steinmitz's time photo and other works on electromagnetism.

Lot I have on some of the other info, but not ready to comment..:cry: But take what was in the information of Tesla and others there carefully, as sometimes things are not quite what they seem and who is where being misinformationed. What do you think of that document of Germans and Tesla and others having saucers?

No rubber suit , floor and all was a crystaline form of interlocking metal that we yet have to discover with all impurities taken out. That is why so called ufo wreckage metal as baffled researchers as to what it is.

The light inside was enough to light up all around us, but not blinding or tingely, just the transporter was. the light was the same as one would have in our places with a well even lite place. A form of our Faraday lights, but larger and the even flow of electromagnetic energy.

The forumla stuff was interesting; now if we can get the light to go faster than normal light, we may get light drive.
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post Feb 15 2007, 04:05 PM
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I would not take this story at face value.


It is the hardest aspect as how can you really relate what one has experienced in an alien or other strange experience unless you could have the others experience it too. You just relate it and the other contacts you have had, even if it just gets people thinking and reacting to it; it has done something...:abduct:

Well maybe you and others will be lucky and get 'mooned' by a saucer!:ship:
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post Feb 15 2007, 11:29 PM
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Ivan:

As stated above -

"I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I'm not saying I believe you either"

It's not like you had a sighting and reported what you saw, and were done with it.

You're "Story" is way beyond your normal UFO report of
"Hey, I saw these lights in the sky and they moved erratically.....etc"

No Sir. Your "Story" has you cruising around the universe, in close proximity, and engaging in mutual interactions with extraterrestrials on numerous occasions that apparently spanned years.

Before a rational person would start preaching such an extraordinary "Story", you would think that they'd have the foresight to realize that in order to be believable, they would need to provide tangible proof of their experiences to the masses. Especially if they were trying to spread their particular "Story" to the masses.

Ivan:
Do you have "ANY" proof to back up your "Story"?

Please.......A simple Yes or No.
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It is the hardest aspect as how can you really relate what one has experienced in an alien or other strange experience unless you could have the others experience it too. You just relate it and the other contacts you have had, even if it just gets people thinking and reacting to it; it has done something...:abduct:

Well maybe you and others will be lucky and get 'mooned' by a saucer!:ship:


I have not right telling another what it is that he or she saw. It was after all not I that saw it. But this looks to me like the guy needs to get some fresh air.

These events are filled with errors that tell a hidden story. One that the observer failed to see. If taken at face value they will *&^% you up. The person that "saw" this is needs to get his attention back onto the world around him. They are a "collapse" different of moments powered by a hidden command. The mind is more than capable of making a memory that looks real. Even more it can rewrite dates and make something seem like it just happened. These events have not happened for some time. Here and now, nothing happened but the collapse into a "stew" of odd things to look at.
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Who cares about the evidence, who worded this article for you?

"1960 my life was to be drastically altered that evening"
"what was pulling me into this frightening desolate night?"
"Was this what had drawn me out to this place?"


"look it up and see the account of the teleportation as only person known to of given a detailed account of such an experience."-- this person was a character from the book/show... right?

I would hate the interviewer for saying stuff like that... Sure I write down my encounters in a book-like form but I don't even like to "touch" stuff like that which makes it seem like a script off an old alien movie or X-files... one of the "old" episodes... then it just sounds like the interviewer was an idiot wanting to make you sound untruthful. (I'm not accusing you of anything, its the writer...)
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Who cares about the evidence


Who cares about the evidence?
I for one do. And probably anyone