ok today some lameass decides to go into his college and shoot everyone up......this pisses me off to all holy hell, it makes me want to learn necromancing
magic to bring him back to life just so the families get to stick a long dull knife in him over and over....here is the link but i warn you its very sickening
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_...a_tech_shooting


:cry: :cry: :cry: my heart goes out to these families

Its all over the news here.
Thoughts and/or prayers with the families and victims.

I can't understand why so many people feel the need to own a firearm in the U.S and why gun control laws are close to non-existant.

According to an interview just aired now, gun control laws have been made less strict in recent years, regarding assault rifles and the liablity of gun manufacturers.

How many more deaths is it gonna take until something is done?

Though , what can you expect with a TV cowboy as president....

if you read the article i posted you find out he had two hand guns, the problem wont go away if you take all the fire arms away, these crazy asses will just bring a katana or somthing a axe to school.

Try not to be an idiot will you?? I'm sympathetic to your unfavorable view on Bush, but that doesn't excuse you from being illogical.

First, you clearly don't know anything about gun control in the US. There are over 20,000 laws on the books, and many states have much more restriction than most European countries, where believe it or not gun ownership and shooting sports are VERY popular.

Secondly, there were gun control laws in place.....ones prohibiting carrying on campus, and ones prohibiting foreign nationals from possessing and buying guns. Lot of good they did.....same effect they have in Britain, which by the way after their gun control became the most violent industrialized nation according to the anti-gun UN, with a violent crime rate higher than the US. Put down your bong and wrap your mind around that hoplophobe.

That weapon below that I'm firing from behind cover is a 9mm SIG Sauer, and it's on my person 99.9% of the time, even as I type here at work. It is about 7.5 inches long, a little over 5.5 inches tall, and with the magazine weighs 30oz. It has a polymer frame, steel slide and barrel, and accepts a 15 round magazine....mine currently loaded with 105gr EFMJ rounds. In Feb2004 it cost me $499. And it could have saved any number of the 32 lives lost today.

To be against gun carrying, you have to believe that the gunman was somehow better or more adept than the college students.......that somehow his skill level enabled him to use a gun, a tool, but that his victims could not have used one with equal effectiveness. This is a disgusting viewpoint. I train hard, particularly for a civilian. I know my way around my gun, I know my way around the debate, and I can take care of myself on the board and on the street. So can other "regular" citizens. Recognizing that we CANNOT take care of them and protect them, let's let them protect themselves.

My sympathy to all effected by this senseless tragedy.

You both spoke of guns, and while that is the easy target, it misses the broader mark: why are these things taking place? People use bombs, poison gas, you name it, to kill. The real issue here is not the method, but the reason.

Why do people like the bomber in Oklahoma City and others kill the innocent as an expression of their hatred for life itself? What is causing this disease?

In 1966 a guy went up on a tower at a school in Texas and started shooting, and killed around 14 college students. He was the first that I know of. Since then it has happened very often, too often. And not just at schools, but factories, post offices, everywhere.

In bygone times, the first half of the 20th century, murder was as it had been throughout history; understandable, with a reason to it. While on a personal level we would consider it wrong, at least it made some sort of sense on a mental level. People have always killed to get what someone else had, or in revenge for a wrong, or in war. Now it is senseless slaughter.

No, something in the nature of man has changed, or these people are being led to do this by some other means. Many say that 'God' told them to. Some, like Sirhan Sirhan who supposedly killed Bobby Kennedy, can't even remember the event under hypnosis.

I'm being serious when I wonder what has changed in these past 40 years that has brought such madness. Often these people who do these terrible things were never known to do much evil before. What makes a normal, or even halfway normal, person become a killer.

And it's not just the big events. These are the ones we notice. Every day, around the world, people are more ready to kill than ever before in our history. Even in my own nation's violent past, the wild west as it is called, murder was not common. TV and novels show it that way, but in historical accounts, it was not so. And this was in a time when guns were even more common than they are now.

Am I saying the government is secretly causing this with mind control? That the ETs are? That it's toxins in our food supply causing our own form of 'Mad Cow'? No. I don't know. But the evidence seems to point towards some influence that was not present 60-70 years ago. Is man too crowded on this ball of mud we call home? Is it the signs of the end of days? Are we reaching some point in our evolution that is triggering this? No. I don't know.

But I am old enough to remember when such ideas didn't come to men, not even the worst of them would intentionally have shot a child, such as took place not long ago in an Amish community, that they didn't even know, and for no reason except to express themselves to the world.

What this influence is, I do not know. But I think history bares me out in the idea that such reasonless violence is a new part of our culture.

If the ETs are here, maybe it's to document a race in the process of going.mad.

No, but I don't see the need for people to own guns in the first place.
Surely, if there are less guns in circulation, won't gun related deaths become less common?
I'm aware of shooting sports, but I don't see why you'd need anything more than a double barrel shotgun or a low calibre bolt action rifle with a capacity of only five rounds or so.
While these still have an equal capacity to kill, they seem much less effective for use in violent crimes due to their larger size and slower reload times, in comparison to a handgun.

I know I'm no expert on U.S gun laws, and I'm sorry for that. I'm just saying what I've heard in interviews on news reports on what happened,

Atleast if he did bring an weapon like that, there'd be a chance for the kids to take him down (Throwing heavy stuff I.e. Hammers.) or run away, and the cops would be able to get close enought to shoot him.


I wonder what caused him to do it.... Although it is inexcusable what he did.... There must have been some reason, something must of snapped..
He commited suicide too, he didn't do the act to fuel some sick pleasure, but maybe he thought he needed to do it before he died.

Damn.. How bad can it be between you and a girlfriend for you to walk into a class, chain the door and open fire on a 100 students?

I want to climb into a time machine and go back to the 80s. Sure we had crime but nothing like the crap we have today.

From what I've heard on the news, it was something to do with his girlfriend.
There were also reports that apparently he'd shot her before attacking the other students later on.

I know this sounds strange but I remember reading something about the earth goes through a positive or negative energy of some type. When there is a positive period, the crime rate goes down, there are bumper crop seasons, people seem to be in good spirit. I think that was the 1990s?? who knows. Of course the 1990s had the highest kill rate in US history. They say we're heading back to this trend.

YOU don't see the value......but how could YOU have the audacity to possibly think that you know what's best for everyone. My country is amazingly diverse, much less the world. In my state we have alpine mountains, a rain forest, and desert. We have urban areas and places that dont make it to a map.

As for less guns in circulation = less deaths......uh, NO. I already cited Great Britain which is a perfect example. Switzerland is even better.....they ISSUE guns we can't even buy over here (SIG 55x rifles) and civilian weapons sales are more liberal their than here. They have a tiny murder rate and most of that is by visitors! Now let's take a look at Washington DC......handguns are banned and have been since 1976. Other guns must be disassembled at all times. Their murder rate per capita in 2004 was 34.3 per 100,000. My city, Seattle, has shall issue concealed weapons permits (the state must let you carry a gun if you're over 21, not a felon or mental patient, and have $60), assault weapons, high cap mags, all of it. In the same year the murder rate was 3.1 per 100,000. If more guns = more crime, why are the restrictive areas so bad?? Cali has terrible gun laws, it's 10/50 for violent crime. Maryland has worse ones, and it's 3/50. My state has great gun laws and it's 26/50.

Gun control has never worked toward a benefit......it's a demonstrable failure. Anytime you go after the tools and not the behavior, you lose, and when you go after tools that help the good guys you lose even worse.

Crime rates in the US mirror the amount of adult males aged 15 to 40.

Your memory of the 80s seems different than mine.. I remember that as when inner city gangs controlled parts of cities, when ambulances wouldnt go to certain city sections, etc.

Actully Britain is not a good example.....The law was dumb in not defining what "guns" you're allowed, and not taking as many away as they should, they also dont have a power level, you can easily buy and air gun capable of powing through a tree now... Air weapons are still able to kill, and since the gun ban was issued in 1996, the ammount of air weapons bought increased by 11% meaning people where buying these.
Now you can buy guns here that are exact replica's of the banned guns.

Gun deaths are 1/100,000 here now.

Im glad guns are out of circulation here, get shot by one, you're less likely to survive than if you were stabbed...
"how could YOU have the audacity to possibly think that you know what's best for everyone."
If what you said is suggesting that GunControl shouldn't be done anywhere, Then the sentence above you've contradicted yourself.

guns dont kill people...people kill people, and people with guns are less likly to get their house robbed

I agree vet example: Miami in the 80s was murder capital much worse then now we just hear more now because on the Internet and news media sensationalizes this kind of stuff.

Most people nowa days usually over exaggerate things.Like these murders and other stuff.It is why not much people can get along.

Yeah, maybe if you sit on your front porch all day with your rifle, so everyone can see you've got a gun.

There is a reason for the 2nd ammendment, and a good one. The people should have sufficient arms at any time to stop the government, it is part of the fundemental checks and balances. If only the military has guns then what is stopping a politician (Hitler comes to mind as a historical example) who comes to power from not abusing it?

Anyways "if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns."

Haha, very funny. Explain to me then why the occupied burglary rate in Britain is over 3 times that of the US.

Allow me.......when the DOJ interviews criminals, they cite fear of an armed homeowner more than they cite fear of police.





Air guns, please. What's funny is that you perfectly demonstrated the difference in cultures, your's being a culture of victims. "I'm going to be defenseless anyway, I might as well get stabbed instead of shot" while my viewpoint is "Anyone that is going to try and hurt me is going to get shot, and I'm going to live".

And opposition to GUN CONTROL and freedom to choose is not "forcing a belief" but instead leaving the decision up to individuals, not the nannystate that can't protect you and has demonstrated such. Britain talks about it's low gun crime, but it's VICTIMIZATION rate is still higher. How you can take consolation that your gun crime is low but overall the rate of victimization is higher is beyond me, and an example of the absurdity of hating objects.

maybe i do