We always think there is life in another planet.
it is logical that the strong and wiser rules the weak and stupid

Man
1.create computer
2.phones
3.cars
4 and millions more

aliens
1.ufo
2.ufo
3.ufo

aliens dies
ET all of them wouldn't phone home

mysteries of the world is
1pyramid
2.atlantis
and others

we think its aliens
maybe

my question is who is smarter
when the aliens do even have a hanphone to call back
and they dont even want to rule us

ehhrm... okay..

anyways, if there are aliens with the technology to make ufos it does not make them smarter then us, just more advanced. We dident have phones or computors etc for 500 years ago, that does not mean we are smarter now then 500 years ago

Well, it depends, smarter in technology making, possibly, but whos to say all aliens are smarter than us, or none of them are? We know really nothing for sure, so they could be like anything.

wouldn't one have to personally know an alien to determine what they have exactly accomplished?
You question is.... umm... well... I won't say it... but... _ _ _ p _ _

Evidence of an ET on the phone http://graphics.stanford.edu/~pkeyani/link...s/alf_phone.jpg .Fran

What exactly is your question?
Are the E.T.'s smarter than Humans?
Smarter? I don't know but they are certainly more advanced than us especially in the field of Technology.
Do the E.T.'s have phones and if so why haven't they contacted us?
Have you seriously looked at the Human Race and seen how far they have progressed, or not? In terms of the "Galactic Family/Brotherhood" we are a rather backward, immature goup of beings who still indulge in our favourite pastime of killing each other. We still allow diseases to decimate vast proportions of our population. We continually ravage vast areas of our beautiful Planet in the name of Commerce etc.We argue amongst ourselves continually and refuse to set-up a true World Government for the benefit of all the Worlds population, The United Nations is a complete joke. The Governments of the World would rather spend Billions on the Arms Industry than the total eradication of Disease, Famine, Poverty etc.
If you were a member of a Race of E.T.'s would you really contact the Human Race until such time that they had progressed beyond the level that we are at present?
Self preservation surely must come into the equation, we would probably attempt to kill the E.T.'s or ,at least subjugate them, steal their technology and then go forth and wreak havoc throughout the Universe.
E.T. keeps contact to a bare minimum for a reason so yes, they are probably smarter than us!

I can understand the sentiment but not 'the logic' - you blame Govts for inaction where disease is concerned - and you also blame corporations for destroying the natural beauty of our planet - it is that 'natural beauty' which is killing us - of course there are man made germs which cause disease - but this 'benevolent' portrayal of the planet simply doesn't square with reality - this planet does just about everything it can to kill us from the day we are born - the fact we fight back should come as no surprise.

Ben

Ben, do you not think that it is in fact the Planet that is fighting back against our interference and our raping and pillaging of the Planet? Do we really need to decimate the Rain Forests and destroy the natural habitats of so many varied species? Global Warming has been caused by Mankinds dependancy on Fossil Fuels. There are alternatives that so far we have refused to seriously take up such as Solar Power, Wind Power and Tidal Power. Mind you, if these alternatives were indeed set-up then after the initial costs they would become "Free Energy" and the Global Corporations would miss out on their obscene profits. How silly of me not to realise this before I posted. Ben, accept that what is happening to the Planet is the fault of Man-kind and not because the Planet has got it in for us. Cause and effect go hand in hand.

Oh I don't dispute that we've messed it up - don't get me wrong! But I also don't recognise a 'benevolent' planet. If humans were supposed to live in harmony with this planet there would be no sharp edges, no cliffs to fall over, no earthquakes, no random lightning strikes which can kill you in an instant....fact is we didn't make mountains, cliffs, lightning, seas, things which whilst being beneficial in some ways are totally and utterly ruthless toward us in others....they all came as part of the package.

We should also bear in mind that this planet with or without us will not last forever...it will die one day as surely as we will - so, that begs the question of whether we should be pillaging it for what we can get in the meantime which might in fact help us get out of here and go somewhere else?

I do agree we are destroying it - but what else are we to do? We cannot live in harmony with it because 'harmony' was never part of it's plan for us.....it has its nice points lol - but it also has teeth. If we're doing anything wrong right now it is that we are taking too much from it, too quickly....just my opinion of course....

Ben

Hang on, Ben. Are you an advocator of the "Nanny State" where everything is done for us, where there are no dangers or risks and everything is Utopia? Life is a risk that is full of pit-falls and dangers. It's all part of the evolutionary process, you know, survival of the fittest. That is how Man-kind, and indeed Nature, evolves. If you come across a fire and you put your hand in it and burn yourself you remember not to do it again. That's the same as when you come to a cliff you don't go near the edge for fear of falling off and killing yourself. It's the same with Mountains and other Natural Hazards, you treat them with respect and you don't get harmed. Man-kind should learn from their mistakes and many a time we don't. Take the San Andreas Fault. It is a major factor in Earthquakes along the West coast of America yet Man-kind chooses to build two huge cities adjacent to it, Los Angeles and San Francisco. That was wise don't you think, NOT! Don't blame the Planet, blame Man-kind!
As for your other point, we might as well pillage the Planet to get out of it what we can so that we can go somewhere else. And do what? Make the same mistakes over and over again?
You and I will eventually die, pass over, call it what you will. What happens to the people who we leave behind or come after us if we've stripped the Planet of all its resources? Is it a case of, "stuff you" I was alright whilst I was here?
Come on Ben, Man-kind has got to learn to look out for each other and future generations and learn to live in Harmony with our Beautiful Planet. It's a two-way street, look after the Planet and it will look after us for Millions of more years.

there are heaps of alien races. some are more intellegent than humans, some are not

Oh I don't dispute that we CAN make things a little more comfortable for ourselves but that does not eradicate the fact that this planet is NOT benevolent towards us. You can make all the 'best guesses' in the world as to where to set up camp but if fire, flood, tornado's and earthquakes know no limits then where precisely are we supposed to find 'safety' - Building in and around San Andreas is stupidity - but no-one could have predicted over half of the earthquakes that we do have - they happen along fault lines previously unknown or long thought 'stable' - take yesterday's quake in England for example.

All the good planning in the world won't protect you from being struck by lightning if it so chooses - so nature is no 'Friend' - why should we be friendly towards it? We should be attempting to master it, to subdue it, to subvert it to our will.

The biggest killer of humankind throughout history has been disease - diseases I hasten to add which are 'natural' to this earth - not created or released by humans - more of us are alive today than would have ever been thought possible BECAUSE we tackled them head on and forced certain killer diseases to submit to our will through applied knowledge.

As for a nanny state? I never suggested that was what I believed at all - but what you are now advocating is the opposite of what you were implying earlier - you wanted us to stop harming the planet because you felt it was not beneficial to us - I'm saying that only when we 'wrestle' with it and get it to submit will we be able to have any kind of 'balance' because the romanticised, idealised image of a benevolent earth does not reflect reality. Nature is cold, unambigous and cruel - we are not.

As for making the same mistakes again - the only mistakes are those which 'cost us' - and of course I would like to think that we won't repeat those...

Ben

I think that the secret is to find the "harmony" so that we can live side by side with nature. We have to find the balance that is essential to a safe co-existance with the environment as a whole. We still have many lessons to learn. I trust and hope that Man-kind can learn sooner rather than later and then we can truly evolve. Nature can be a friend, attempting to master it, subdue it or even subvert it to our will is where we are making the mistakes. Removing Forests and natural ground cover at will only makes the earth unstable resulting in land-slides, mud-slides and the like. We are in danger of turning vast areas into arrid deserts where nothing can grow thus perpetuating famine and desolation. The majority of disasters throughout the World are initially the fault of Man-kinds interference decades ago.
There is an old proverb that goes; "Wake up the sleeping Dragon and Reap the Whirlwind". I think that sums it up quite aptly.
Just as an afterthought; Setting off all those Atomic weapons in underground testing in the name of Science hasn't had an effect on the Earth's crust and Techtonic Plates then ,has it?

JV....it would be nice to live in harmony with nature....however, I agree with Ben that it is not possible....Mother Nature is in control of us not the other way around.

I have no doubt we are still causing damage to the earth...though awareness of how important the environment is is growing....but I also think that global warming is a natural occurance.

JV....I don't think the atomic tests have caused any impact to the tectonic plates as they were noit powerful enough or deep enough....besides the fact they were not detonated underground in zones of plate boundaries.

I do not think that Global Warming is a natural occurance. It is more likely a result of the Greenhouse effect caused by the release of so many harmful gasses into the atmosphere. The depletion of the Ozone Layer is not helping either. Fossil Fuels have got a lot to answer for and I suspect we, as a Race, are nearing the point of no return. God help our descendants for the harm and damage that we are responsible for. The time to act and correct our mistakes is NOW!
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Global Warming happened before, when the dinosaurs roamed, people weren't there with factories to make it warm for htem, then something happened and the earth cooled down. It happens naturally also, but were helping it too much, it's like they say "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink", you can tell people to not build houses in places with natural disasters, but htey won't listen, it's manifest destiny, we can't fight it, it's human nature to expand, and if we didn't live in places with natural disasters, we'd be croweded in Europe still with plagues killing us all constantly because we had no idea what was out there, it's manifest destiny, we can't fight it, nature can, but no matter what we do, manifest destiny will previel as we need to expand to get space and resources, and alot of diseases have no actual cure, and it's germs and disease that do good, we wipe them out and then an alien race invades out of jeolousy to take Earth and there aren't any germs, they won't get sick and die, they have no expirence with our dieases, it's like Smallpox and indians, the indians got it from the Europeans, and they died, so if aliens come here to invade, our germs and disease will kill htem because they aren't use to them, the common cold could kill an alien even if they aren't used to it. It's like War of the Worlds.

Mr. E....one never knows how the diseases the aliens bring with them...they may affect us like smallpox did when we moved out the native americans

JV...Gores video showed that this kind of warming trend has happened four times (including the current warming) over the last 400,000 years....we just maybe helping this one along a little.

How do you know this? :headscrat

Global warming happened on Venus and there are no civilizations there it is a natural change but i have no doubt that we are speeding it up a bit but it would have happened anyway.