This question is mainly directed at people who 'remember' him - his life I mean - as an activist.


Sure, from what I've read I know that a guy called Mark Chapman admitted to pulling the trigger ..... but was he just another raving loon or was he ..... you know .... brainwashed?

To some this might sound like a stupid question, but I was reading about his life and there are certain 'events/movements' he did/made that really seemed to p*** off the American Government. And when I say that I mean they constantly watched, followed, hounded, and (unsuccessfully) tried to have him deported. The FBI had almost 300 files on the guy .. ....

http://www.lennonfbifiles.com/

I guess what I'm really trying to ask is 'Do you think the US Government played any part?'

Lennon was loved by millions. The US Gov however .... well ... no comment on that one. He would have been considered a huge threat when he went all 'anti-war activist'.... I mean ... who would you listen to? Not to some stinkin' politician thats for sure. But then what would I know, I'm only a 'Yungun'. LoL
I've heard alot of people say that if Lennon hadn't have died, there may have never been a war in Iraq. So sad ...


Does anyone have any thoughts on this or any other thoughts/theories on why he was killed? I found one saying Stephen King did it (???!!!!!:laugh:) but I'll keep that one to myself for now.
Huge Thankyou in advance.

Eh, I don't think Lennon had much political clout by the time he was killed. Ya just didn't hear much about him anymore, until he was murdered. As for a conspiracy... I dunno, it's possible.

Good point noone.

But what about future influence? If Conspiracy Theorists are right about the war in Iraq being 'planned', wouldn't Lennon have been considered a major threat in opposing it? Get him out of the way and they've got a couple of decades free to stage other events right upto WW-chuffin-III. Why? Oil.

Or am I going waaaaayyy out here ..?

I do think the Iraq war had been planned for some time, at least as early as the mid-90's... as for it being all for the oil, no. We haven't profitted much from Iraq's oil (which we should at least get enough of it to pay for the war, but they aren't gonna do that) The Iraqi oil fields profits are pretty much under the control of the new Iraq government.

I still think we went there to drive a wedge in the islamist power bases in the mideast, and hopefully tilt them off balance, so we don't have the problems which western governments have been worrying about for some time.

Hmmm .... whatever the reason for the war, I think it was planned too .

Same as I think poor old guys like Lennon & JFK, for example, got in the way far too much.
There are just a few things about Chapmans story that doesn't add up thats all.

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Lennon was a small part of an even bigger .... .. part. *sniffz* There's something not reeeet here at all, maybe you're ALL in on it!

Revolution People!! Lets kick the 'BigWigs' out of Office, and let us 'Yunguns' take over. I shall call it "The New-Kid-On-The-Block World Order"!! Yeah!

If you oppose me you shall die, Hippies. :devil:


K... shutting up.

Lennon was a powerful force on the conscience of millions before going 'quiet' - I don't subscribe to the idea that he was assasinated however it is odd that no sooner had he released 'Starting Over' which heralded his return than he was killed....

No no govt hand involved for me - but it was (for me) the day the 'good' music died....

Ben

Yep. I remember that fateful day. Not all good music died for me, but an enduring legacy sure did.

Thanks for your answer Ben. Much appreciated


I wonder if I'll get an opinion from someone who didn't like Lennon .... that would be interesting .... (don't be nervous about posting, I won't let any Lennon Lovers bite you).

Heres another interesting link for those that are interested, its about the guy that killed him;

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spi.../chapman/1.html

I suggest saving the address though, there are about 11 chapters to go through (not very long ones, but still).

I'm not saying I like much about Lennon's politics. I just have an annoying habit of being able to seperate my love of music from the meanings of the lyrics. Lennon was a master songwriter to me.

john lennon and the beatles sucked.

So does Nelson Mandela.

Gotta disagree - some of their music (mostly Mcartney's) was twee and often shallow - but the rythmns they introduced musically were phenomenal for the period...and yes they did take risks musically - Golden Slumbers, Lucy in the Sky, Strawberry fields for example - Sgt Peppers was awesome...and I defy anyone to listen to 'Don't let me down' without thanking God for rock music, Mcartneys bass and Lennon's voice.

I'm a professional musician - and even when I write a new song which I think is completely original I can still 'hear' the Beatles in there somewhere - listen to ELO - Oasis - Travelling Wilbury's - Tom Petty - The Police OMG the list goes on and on and you'll hear if not the Beatles, then John Lennon in there somewhere. They defined not just a generation of music but even this one too...

Ben

:laugh: I nearly weed myself then. Ahhh .. blunt comments .... how I love them

Well, for the record, I LOVE Lennon.... so bum off

Add Type O Negative to that, Peter Steele is a HUGE Beatles fan.

Also add Gene Simmons of Kiss, and Chip Z Nuff from Enuff Z Nuff.

Anything in particular noone?

I think he was on the right track .... and I still think they were part of the reason he was killed (get to 'Why' later on, unless anyone can prove it totally wrong now).
The MIB Mo-fos had something to do with it I just know it .... *shakes fist*

The more I read about this and things like HAARP, the more things seem to fit. Suss as Hell ...... hmmm ... where's Mulder? LoL

I'm a Divvy. So what. :shrug:

enuff z enuff... now theres a band that really sucks.

you can place me firmly in the 'something rotten in denmark' camp. it looks to me that lennon along with several other counter-culture (key issue) figures / revolutionaries were defamed, martyred, and murdered. as far as im concerned you may as well equate lennons death with those of JFK & MLK.

as far as MK ULTRA style brainwashing... well who can say for sure? that end of its a lil' sci-fi for me... but maybe not such a far stretch of the truth.

herein lies the conundrum: anybody and everybody at that time could have fallen in love with the beatles or lennon... whatever. it was a time when the underground culture surfaced... subversive art and music made the curtain call for a mainstream pop-culture debut. so you have this 50's era baseball & apple pie mentality vs. "fuck the man".... thats quite a contrast.

a very confusing time. lets not even drop the race bomb that was goin' on then. my point is all this could add up to some volatile chemistry especially for people that seem to follow the herd no matter where it goes.

lets say you were brought up in a draconian household, one with little flexibility. and youre told that your hero is a godless dirty stinking hippie... despite the fact that he strongly resembles a certain biblical figure & his teachings (which are probably strongly enforced, i.e. perverted, in this constrictive environment). let the madness begin!

i mean really... the 'government' didn't have to do much brainwashing when they could have parents do it for them....

maybe lennon was assassinated rather than murdered or martyred. maybe 'they' had to choose battles. rather to martyr a president than a pop culture demi god... after all, which truly has more power?

or maybe it was just the action of a very desparate and confused man... a hallmark of the times.

Yeah, it's really difficult to say what the motives were, other than his stated motives... and no, EZN doesn't suck. Damned good band.

Nothing in particular. I'm just not of the socialist/communist mindset.

Meh* ...... you're no help .... LoL j/k

you cant put an opinion on a civil servant (well actually you can do whatever you feel but thats besides the point) nelson Mandela was all about trying to do good and he man not have fully achieved that (South Africa is still controlled by the same people just behind the scenes) but it was truly what he intended. I just don't like rock and the Beatles yo i more of a jazz, underground hip hop, blues, R&B, and john Williams kind of guy and Lennon and the lot were just annoying. I am impressed you recognized my name as a reference to Mandela thats actually a first.