how is it that your not all talking about the apollo 20 lunar video?

or have i missd that thread?

http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb

the above link takes you to the youtube users homepage.

the following are links to some of what is there.

look at this for a quick update. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_He2EGu7pKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClEGo23li4 a lunar city
more here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs

and even on this sat photo http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625

http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread...spacecraft+moon

might try this one

thanks, but not quite along the same lines, i cant see any of the vids i posted.

and heres the transcript of the interview with the youtube user who claims to be one of the crew members of apollo 20.

http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRIT...iamRutledge.htm

i have more if anyones interested

Apollo 20 never left Earth. The program was cancelled after Apollo 17.

yep i know you think that, and your point was?

Here is my opinion and shameless plug.

Apollo 20 Video

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whats great about this one is that nobody has anything to prove its fake, nothing, all comments ive seen on forums dont address the validity at all.

hello 42 views and hardly any comments... lost for words?

I can make Apollo 21 better with a clay model in my basement

there is really nothing to say we don't know if it's real or not which gets us nowhere. It's the same as any other "evidence" that is released.

When & Where was Apollo 20 launched from?

And how did NASA get away with launching the Apollo 20 Saturn V rocket without the media knowing about it? That’s a pretty big event to have gone unnoticed by our ‘hungry press’… ~rore

I agree. I wrote a really long post about what was wrong with each video posted, and why I think it's a hoax, but then I decided 'Why bother?'

People who are going to think it's a hoax don't need me to convince them. People who aren't going to think it's a hoax won't be convinced, no matter what I say.

Hey, who knows, right? It could be real. It might not be. But what can anybody say that's gonna convince anybody else?

bad point, dont give up, im sure we will all be rewarded for our efforts. soon...

I do not know if its a hoax. Will have to do mreo research.

can anyone say for definite its a hoax? backing it up with solid evidence, ofcourse.

Thanks for the encouragement, Jethrob. In answer to your last question: no. I can't say absolutely that it's a hoax. Yes, it falls outside of history as I know it, and yes there are flaws, but I can't say 100% that it's a hoax. I'll go ahead and write my thoughts.

With Jethrob's encouragement, I'm going to go ahead and post my analysis of the links he provided about Apollo 20. Again, I don't know if it's a hoax or not, but I strongly suspect it is. Here are my thoughts:

Link 1:
http://www.youtube.com/user/retiredafb

The mission patch. The mission patch has several problems that I can see. First, the names. I've found no information, outside of UFO sites, about William Rutledge or Leona Snyder, and although Alexi Leonov is quite famous, I've found no information about a relationship with NASA other than a few meetings with Alan Shepard. This in itself could be explained if their records had be 'cleaned'.

Second, the patch shows what appears to be the lander and the orbiter 'carrying' or 'towing' an object. The lander and orbiter with which I'm familiar are not designed for that purpose, and probably could not perform the task illustrated on the patch without significant changes: in effect, you'd find it easier and cheaper to just build a whole new vehicle. The LEM is shown in the descent position, with descent platform still attached. This platform, the lower half, or legs, of the LEM are left behind when the ascent stage returns to the orbiter from the moon. Therefore it looks like the LEM is putting the object ON the moon, rather than taking it OFF of the moon.

I can't tell what the 'object' is supposed to be, but it resembles the 'object' in the other videos. I find this suspicious. Mission patches are made BEFORE the mission. I could only see putting the object on the mission patch if they already knew the object was there and the mission was to retrieve the object, a theory I find unlikely due to the purported dimensions of the object in question.

2nd Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_He2EGu7pKk

There's a 'cut' between the 'port hole' shot and the 'control panel' shot that I find suspicious, especially given the great disparity in the general look and design of the two. Now, granted, if you have two different teams working on a vehicle, different parts will look quite different. The pilot's port window on the B17 looks vastly different from a B17 control panel! But I find it odd in this video. I can't read the writing on the control panel. I find that a little suspicious since I can't read who anything is or what it does, but I guess if I were going to hoax something like this, I'd take an extra ten minutes to make some labels too, so no biggie there ... but it bothers me. The control panel looks nothing like any orbiter or LEM control panel I've ever seen, though I'm no connoisseur or anything, and I guess NASA could make a new one if they wanted to.

The flag is the major problem. Neither the Soviets nor any country I know would ever allow their flag to be BENEATH another country's flag. Usually in Joint Missions, the two flags are merged, not one on top of another, but side by side to show equality and mutual respect. On a joint US-Soviet mission, that flag would never have been allowed, due to concerns that it would offend the Soviet astronaut, and really: would you want to be stuck for days in a small space with an offended person? I wouldn't either. The flag bothers me a lot.

Now, I've never been to the moon, but quite frankly, the rest of the video (real or not) looks fake. It looks like somebody took first a piece of pumice and then a six or eight inch clay figurine and waved them in front of a camera in a dark room with a lamp and a black backdrop. Granted, many things that are real look fake.

The big problem I have with the rest of the video is the light. The glare on the objects suggests smaller objects and a closer, more intense light source than the sun shining towards the Moon. It could be the lights from the LEM, but the angle is wrong, and the LEM has multiple lights, which would have a different effect. Also notice that the angle and intensity of the light is different at different angles. It doesn't look right.

My guess is that this was done on a table with small objects, a camera and a light source.

3rd link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClEGo23li4

Okay, this video is pretty cool. I gotta admit. I think it's fake, but so what. I wish it were real. The moon color and texture aren't consistent with other moon videos I've seen, but who cares? Kansas doesn't look much like Southern California. Look at 7:37. Light is hitting the structure. Looks like the light is behind me. Look at the shadows on the rocks. Light source is to my left. The shadows of the 'city' don't seem consistent with the ground shadows ... but I'm no expert. If I were going to hoax this, I'd use just one light and then all my shadows WOULD be consistent. Interesting vid. Probably fake, but I like it anyway.

My only real question is: Why was Air Force Space Command involved in this mission? That's outside their normal jurisdiction, considering that they're involved in space warfare theory and ICBM technology.

4th Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7mkHtuLOs

On this video, there are all kinds of grids, flashes and blurs the obfuscate the image. These are classic video effects used to hide a lack of a sci-fi budget. Remember, even George Lucas used vaseline on the lens sometimes ... and NO, not for that! I also find it interesting that I can hear squelch and static from the radio transceiver but I can't hear actual voices. Still, if I were going to fake this, I'd get some buddies over and get the job done with a little audio editing software. It's a cool video, but my brother and his friends used to make stuff like this for their film classes in college (my brother is very technical and used to do their special effects). Now again, it LOOKS fake. It doesn't mean it IS fake.

5th link:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625

I couldn't make anything out in that image.

Concept:
Now we're all aware that Apollo missions 18, 19 and 20 were scrubbed. Due to budget constraints and the low availability of Saturn rockets, NASA chose not to deploy those missions. The Apollo-Soyuz mission is occasionally referred to as Apollo 18, though neither the Apollo nor Soyuz had official mission numbers for that mission. The rockets for 19 and 20 were used for the Skylab missions. With Apollo-Soyuz (Apollo 18) in July 1975, and 'Apollo 20' in August 1976, that's only 12-14 months to fit in Apollo 19 and 20, quite a feat considering that we've been told that Saturn delivery systems were not available.

Conclusion:
What I've seen so far LOOKS fake, but I'll accept that it COULD be real. I really don't know. I mean, everything I KNOW, says it's fake. But then again, as I always say, all it would take for it to be real is for there to exist some variable OUTSIDE of what I already know, especially if it exists outside of our currently accepted knowledge of science and the universe. Humans don't know everything. There's still more to learn. There are things we've yet to discover that are outside of our knowledge of time, space, science and the laws of physics by which we describe our universe. This is not merely a theory or a possibility: it's a fact. Therefore I CAN'T say 100% that this story is fake. I can only say that I doubt it that it is real and that I think it would be cool to learn more.

Exactly, common sense wins the day.