By: Art Champoux

There are those who claim that GOD, YHWH was a person or a being that came to Earth, was he? The answer is in the Holy bible. All passages come from the NEW Jerusalem Bible.

In Exodus Book 20 verse 21 and 22, the Bible tells us that, Moses approached the dark cloud where GOD was. Yahweh said to Moses, Tell the Israelites this, you have seen for yourself how I have spoken to you from Heaven. So according to this even Moses did not see YHWH!!

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I'm not sure what you're geting at? It is long accepted and established by Biblical Scholars that Moses did not see God. Indeed no one has (Unless they died thereafter) -

Exodus 33:20 - But, he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Ben

There are two answers to this question, Darth. The first and, by far, the easiest, you'll find by reading the ancient texts of the Hebrews and studying the theologies of the cultures which influenced and pre-dated Judaism. Now I dont mean to say the KJV of the Old Testament or any other erroneous text translated for the benefit of Christians. I mean read the Hebrew.

The other answer....can not be found in any known text. It is not a revelation but a realization...of the nature of God...in so far as finite human comprehension can comprehend the intangible and infinite anyway..

well i always assumed that god was just a personification of the unknown and not a particular individual.

I don't know about parallel worlds but all life beings from our world are spirits, plants, insects, animals and human beings. i would say that our God is a soul. Djinns have different body than soul.

Gaétan

Dear Ben,

The passage you quote is quite puzzling because just nine verses before it reads: "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." (King James Version)

Could this apparent contradiction be explained by the possibility that the different verses are referring to different times? Perhaps earlier God found it acceptable to speak to Moses 'face to face' and then later He did not?

Interestingly the 'Lord' had no problem with allowing Moses to look at his rearend for we read in verse 23: "And I (the Lord) will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen." KJV

Genesis 3:8 says: "And they (Adam and Eve) heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day..." KJV

Genesis 6:6 states of the All-Knowing Creator: "And Jehovah felt regrets that He had made man in the earth..." (New World Translation)

That is not the only time he felt regrets. Continuing to read about the instance with Moses meeting with God on Mt. Sinai we read in Exodus 32:7-9 of God's intent of killing all the Israelites except Moses for their worship of an image of a golden calf.

Beginning in verse 10 we see it is only as a result of Moses' calm rational reasoning with God that God's hasty, hot tempered intention was averted. Moses had to remind God of his previous promises to persuade him to rethink his decision. And in the end "the Lord repented of the evil which He thought to do unto his people." Exodus 32:14 KJV

This is not the only time Moses talks God out of His decision to annihilate His own people. Numbers 14:11-20 relates a similar incident in which God, once again, recants his stated intention.

Of course that doesn't preclude God from feeling great when He finally does get to kill people. God says: "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; when your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind...Proverbs 1:26,27 KJV

God informs us quite plainly that He is the Source of all pestilence, disease and ruination for those who don't obey Him. Read Deuteronomy 28:beginning in verse 15.

Genesis Chapter 18 apparently gives a detailed description of the 'Lord' traveling by foot, with two others, to eat, drink, and talk with Abraham.

Later in Genesis Chapter 22:1 it says: "And it came to pass after these things , that God did tempt Abraham..." How can creatures made from dust be expected to resist a temptation coming from God? I believe the reason why Abraham obeyed God in this case was because of his fear of Him rather than having a real deep rooted love for Him. Read the following link:

http://www.alien-ufos.com/forum/showthread...3974#post273974

Perhaps it is proper that we fear Him because according to Numbers 23:22 God is as strong as "a unicorn." KJV

Later, an incident that caused the death of innocent Israelites was started, according to 2Samuel 24:1,2 by God who moved David to make a census of the people so that God could ultimately destroy 70,000 of His own people.

The writer of the 'Divinely-inspired' book of Judges seemed to believe that God enjoys drinking wine: "And the vine said unto them, 'Should I leave my wine which cheereth God and man and go to be promoted over the trees?'" Judges 9:13 KJV

I could go on but I think you get my drift. The Old Testament God, in my opinion, was very much like an out of control, angry, vengeful, sadistic, blood thirsty, ego-maniacal version of the very worst form of His own Creation. That is why I could not continue to worship such a depraved Being once I learned the truth.
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i believe YHWH is a extraterrestrial and indeed spoke face to face with Moses.

God is an idea, someone we look too as a means to work out who we are and where we came from.
Call He/she Yaweh, Jehovah, Budha, mohamed, etc.

The Bible isn't a single book, but contains 66 separate books which were collected over something like 1,200 years. Christians and Jews have usually been careful to say that the scriptures weren't delivered from a passing cloud, but were, they believe, written, edited and compiled by human beings and the book of Moses was not written by moses but was written by different anonymous authors.
If we accept that the Bible is messy and human, and was written for faith communities with specific needs in mind, then we will discover it to be a book that will feed our own faith in God, if you believe in God.

As for God walking the earth then just look at the story of Jesus and the complexities of the trinity, God came to earth in the form of Jesus. (But the trinity is something I find hard to understand at times.)

As for God talking to Moses face to face, it is open to each individual interpretation.

The problem, Russ, is that people do not take the time to understand the the works as they were written and within the context that they were written in. Where in your bible you may have read one passage that states 'God did this'..and in the next passage, read 'God did that'...in the actual language and context, it is likely to have read 'God did this' and 'the gods did that'...and you would have to understand the sometimes overt but most often subtle distinctions between 'God' and 'the gods' to the people to whom the text is meant...but those distinctions and knowledge are mostly lost to the average Christian reading his or her bible...as well as to those who translated, cannonized, re-translated in modern slang, interprets and preaches those works.

Point is, God is not, or never has been anything more than people's imagination, so how can he do or say anything.....

You may be surprised to find that I agree with you to a certain extent, Fen. Imagination can be defined as "the innate ability and process to invent partial or complete personal realms within the mind from elements derived from sense perceptions of the shared world." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination) Applied to the question of God, as with any other intangible and ineffable subject, imagination can be the only means by which the rational mind can process and express such subjects. But the use of this 'innate' cognitive function does not render the subject matter non-existent. For example, the imagination is also the means by which the Self is able to acknowledge and validate its existence to its self and others. Cogito, ergo sum (I think, therefore I am). Thus, that the imagination is the cognitive function by which one processes and expresses the intangible subject has no bearing on whether or not the subject exists in actuality nor if the subject can "do or say anything."

TuTu i would need God on my side if i were to win a debate with you, and as i believe he does not exist alas i am doomed to lose....

God told Moses?? he was not to see his face...Actually there is a section in a bible that mentions this oddity. God tells Moses?? to get another two tablets and meet him on Mt Sinai, as you had broken the other two stone tablets.

Moses??? wears a veil after one meeting when he was near god. At first he was told he cannot see Gods face, and those who see GODs face will die instantly...

Moses?? was asked to lay in betwen a rock till GOD went past then he could only look at his back.

There are other passages talking of MoSes glowing-radiantly, so they knew he had talked with GOD>

God is chemical reaction in human's brain. And Jesus was from Cathoric set up thing, making him holy so they can set up the wealthy organization, and it 's also the output of the brain.

That is almost true...Yes...but Moses did not look at his face, he bowed his head down. There are some puzzling quotes in that section as well. It means that the Lord spoke in a way that man would talk to each other. It doesnt necessarily mean that face to face means looking at ones face. It only means they faced each other..

Moses had already known not to look at the Lord in these pasages..So therefore the Lord had let Moses look his way, facing him but not directly looking at his face.

The same where Moses wears a veil. He looks directly at GOD