The time to wake up and smell the coffee is running out. You in the US are very close to the tipping point because of the price of energy driving the economy to breaking point.

http://www.fraw.org.uk/tour/index.shtml

we in the U.S are already investing in other alternative energy sources.

thanks for your support anyhow.

Well, Hydrogen is a bust. Someone axe-murdered the electric car.

Nuclear power seems the most likely solution, but not under our current regime.

we are? wow thats news. what, hybrid electric cars? yeah baby steps.

a dollar short & a day late.

Texas is about to build some new nuclear plants.

It's a start, I guess...

LOL this is quite funny. The trouble with alternate energy is alternate energy uses so much Oil, it's such a contradictory solution.

But the electric car was never an alternative to fossil fuel burning without other alternative sources like nuclear power. It stops gasoline from being burned in a car's engine, but it transfers that energy requirement onto the domestic power generating infrastructure. If all of our domestic power was nuclear--either fission or fusion--then the electric car becomes a possible alternative. Although, there are many impracticalities present in current electric cars that need to be overcome and are responsible for its not having been a success. One is the amount of usable energy that can be stored in a battery. Even when the battery weighs more than a thousand pounds, it is still not as much as in a tank of gas in a regular car. Another is the charge time required for such a battery. Filling a tank full of gas takes about a minute. Charging a battery large enough to power an electric car for any usable distance takes hours. Road trips become an impossibility. They do not have the spontaneity of normal cars: you will have to spend some time planning each trip. If all you intend to do with it is commute a few miles to and from work and then recharge it overnight then this is not too much of a problem, though.

However, if you can develop a battery that can vastly exceed the current crop in terms of how much energy you can store within a certain volume and mass, and you can figure out a way to charge it quickly, then you have a breakthrough that makes the electric car a viable concept.

One other thing you must remember is that an average car uses about 90-100 barrels worth of Oil to make just for the manufacturing etc. So how much Oil would be needed to produce these new non-oil powered cars? Is it possible to produce a totally Oil free car?? I don't think so.:surrender

How do you figure?

The figures are quoted in many Peak Oil books I've read.

Can you quote them here for us, not having access to these books?

just run a search for peak oil theory. you'll get all the findings and graph charts you need.

How about we play it where those who wish to make an assertion provide their own citations, rather than insisting that their opponents do the research for them? If it is so easy as you say to find an argument justifying the contention that the manufacture of just one car requires 90-100 barrels of oil, would it not have been just as easy to link to it rather than tell me to look myself?

aba....thanks for the tip

Ford anounced it will come out with a hydrogen production car in 5 years.

Haven't they been saying this for years?

Also Hydrogen is a EROEI (Energy Return on Energy Invested) loss. Hydrogen is the true false hope.:surrender

Andrew I'll go through my books again and get you the quote.

you do know that in order to inrich uranium you need fossil fuels... and inriching an amount of uranium for a standard nuclear power station uses about as much fossil fuels as what you would use if you just powered the station with fossil fuels.... not to mention the nuclear waste that you have to despose of.