This meeting took place on the 12th of November 2007. A lot of high ranking international military and others talking about UFOs.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd4_1195184625

Sorry Ultima1 but your title is misleading...None of these people are high ranking military officials....they are infact Former/retired people from the military and civillian sector....talking about UFOs, but providing no real evidence and nothing new....

Not too mention this has been posted in several threads already and we realize now there was nothing released about what happened there.

Not all former or retired. Also most of thier stories have reports to support them, such as military planes firing on UFOs after being picked up and tracked on radar.

Could you supply me with the names of the one's that you claim are not former/retired Military men but still serving then...?

Fenstar didn't you mention over on the SETI thread that all the members of the Disclosure project were just 'some questionable people'?
If you want to talk about 'misleading' then this comment certainly takes some beating.

And why is it missleading...? because it's the truth, and you don't like that fact that the disclosure project has proven NOTHING all they have is people claiming this and that.....

When they prove something instead of just talking, then i will change my mind and be the first to apologise until then i stand by what i have said....

Fyfe Symington, former Governor of Arizona, and the spokesman for this event admitted that he too saw the object that hovered over Phoenix during the famous "Phoenix Lights" event.

"Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington will be moderating a November 12 event at the National Press Club where he will discuss the Phoenix Lights incident. He says he will be joined by 14 former high-ranking military and government officials from seven countries who will share evidence from what they call their own UFO experiences and investigations."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/09....ufocommentary/

Fife Symington says he nearly had a close encounter while governor of Arizona.

(CNN) -- In 1997, during my second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality.

I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights. To my astonishment this apparition appeared; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky.

As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation.

The incident was witnessed by hundreds -- if not thousands -- of people in Arizona, and my office was besieged with phone calls from very concerned Arizonians. The growing hysteria intensified when the story broke nationally. I decided to lighten the mood of the state by calling a press conference where my chief of staff arrived in an alien costume. We managed to lessen the sense of panic but, at the same time, upset many of my constituents.

I would now like to set the record straight. I never meant to ridicule anyone. My office did make inquiries as to the origin of the craft, but to this day they remain unanswered. Eventually the Air Force claimed responsibility stating that they dropped flares. This is indicative of the attitude from official channels. We get explanations that fly in the face of the facts. Explanations like weather balloons, swamp gas and military flares.

I was never happy with the Air Force's silly explanation. There might very well have been military flares in the sky that evening, but what I and hundreds of others saw had nothing to do with that. I now know that I am not alone. There are many high-ranking military, aviation and government officials who share my concerns. While on active duty, they have either witnessed a UFO incident or have conducted an official investigation into UFO cases relevant to aviation safety and national security. By speaking out with me, these people are putting their reputations on the line. They have fought in wars, guarded top secret weapons arsenals and protected our nation's skies.

We want the government to stop putting out stories that perpetuate the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth conventional terms. Investigations need to be re-opened, documents need to be unsealed and the idea of an open dialogue can no longer be shunned. Incidents like these are not going away. About a year ago, Chicago's O'Hare International Airport experienced a UFO event that made national and international headlines. What I saw in the Arizona sky goes beyond conventional explanations. When it comes to events of this nature that are still completely unsolved, we deserve more openness in government, especially our own.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the writer."

While you, Fen-Star, may have found nothing "new", the admission of the former Governor of the state of Arizona (for better or worse) that he now wants to "set the record straight" and that he states as follows:

"I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights.

To my astonishment this apparition appeared; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona sky.

As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object I'd ever seen. And it was certainly not high-altitude flares because flares don't fly in formation.

...does indeed constitute something "new". I suggest to you that you check your own comments first, before accusing other's of being "misleading".

What these people say could be and probably is the truth. But, unfortunatly, until hard evidence is brought forward, nothing still equals nothing.
I'm pretty sure noone will believe until theres hard evidence. By hard evidence I mean I wanna see them (living or dead) and I wanna see their space ships, all on public display and all over main stream news. It would be all over the news, just like 911, just like the iraqi war, just like OJ running from the cops. Until this happens.... well.... we've all heard it before.

Fenstar it was misleading of you to say that all the witnesses from the Disclosure project are 'questionable people' because quite clearly they are not and the calibre of some of the witnesses is very impressive.
As I said on the other post concerning your remarks-sworn testimony has been received from highly prominent,highly credible scientists,academics,high ranking Military officals and Defense contractors.
As with the authenticated UFO quotes posted underneath, the sheer number of well known politicians,government officials and high ranking personnel from organisations such as NATO/NORAD/NASA leaves one with the impression that a great many VIPs take the UFO subject very seriously indeed.

Well if you listend to the video it does list people who are not former/retired. When can you supply anything other then an opinion with facts to support it?




But we do have reports, radar tracking and other information to support most of the stories.

So to just say nothing still equeal nothing is just an opinion without facts.

I take that as a You can't then..?..With your usual trying to escape answering by asking a question....



And as i have said this is the military, how do you know these report's weren't altered or doctored in some way, Or that in fact it's Black project that we are seeing,it's easy for them to let people scream UFO, than for them to have people screaming Top Secret Project don't you agree....

Before you try and be clever you had better get your fact's straight....

There was and is nothing new being discused here or there that hasn't been disscused before just the same ole rehash of stuff we have, and they have allready discused before..And they still have NO PROOF....

And as i have said the title is missleading it give's the impression that the people talking are currently in their job's, but it is clear that they are no longer high ranking but Former/retired high ranking people...



And yet the Ufology community accuses well known politicians, Government officals And high ranking personal from organisations such as NATO/NORAD/NASA/NSA....of withholding imformation about UFOs on a daily basis.....

So i take it it's a selective trust, in that, if they are saying what you want to hear they are trustworthy, if they are not then they are dissimformation agents and liars......

That statement could also apply to the skeptic or debunker as well...could it not?

I take it you cannot read my post or listen to to the video i posted since it answered your question.

I have already stated that you have to look at the reports and evidnece. Maybe you can tell me how do we know any infomration against UFOs are not altered or doctored in some way. I guess you never heard of disinformation from the governemnt?

You are unbelieveble.... i listened to the entire video, not once did it mention any name's of currently serving Military men/women ......

If it does mention the names of currently serving Military men, then please by all means prove me wrong and post the names because i must have missed them...




I surpose Drifter, but what be the point in that....And remember it lies with the believer to prove his claims, not the skeptic to disprove them.....IMO

No, you did not listen because it states at the very beginning that their were still serving military pilots, scientist and security people. And what does it matter if most of them are retired or former, it does not have anything to do with thier testimony.

No, you are wrong. If you want poeple to post proof of their claims then you must post proof to debate them or support your claim or you are just posting opinions as fact.

EDITED TO ADD:I'm done with you, as i have posted in another thread....you only have to look at this thread and the 9-11 thread to name 2, to see your true colours, and i 'm not going to say any more or play your pathetic little word games or i will get banned, you just stay away from me and i will do the same....:mad:

Dont quote my post's any more!!!!!

So you have to deabte the fact they might be former or retired because you cannot debate the facts of thier stories?


Also within the first few seconds of the video they talk about a security official, not retired. So it is you that is wrong yet again.

What "fact" do I not have straight? (BTW...you're not the boss of me :laugh: )



From the guidelines posted at the top of this sub-forum:

2.2 Proof
This is very important and quite unique to this forum. There are skeptical people on this forum and we thrive on a balance of skeptics and believers but for certain things that you don't believe in, you cannot keep demanding proof until someone submits to you. This forum has a large paranormal drive and by definition, paranormal things cannot be proved, so to ask for proof is ridiculous, annoying and will only make you look silly.

If the shoe fits...



This is your subjective opinion and is, in my mind, an exercise in 'hairsplitting', of course understanding your need to do so as a seeker of "truth above all else"....



This would be true if this were a 'debate' forum but it is not, it's a 'discussion' forum...have you lost your way somehow?

Another suggestion friend....work on your delivery because, IMO, you come off as nothing but a...well, let's just say it needs work and leave it at that. Of course, I'm new here and maybe first impressions aren't all they're cracked up to be :headscrat