Before i start i just want to say if anyone ever gets a chance, go to you're local library, and look for "How to read the Apocolypse" by Jean-Pierre Prevost
it is a good book about the whole revalation chapter and how to understand the complicated way John has written it. Not all of What follows is from this book, but there are some key points this book gives to support thease claims.

Now we begin.
Throughout the bible the word "Woman" usually has reference to the word Church. An example is from Jerimiah:6:2 where it says "I have likened the daughter of zion to a comely and delicate woman". Note that the christian church is considered the "bride of christ"(ephesians 5:25-27, Corinthians 11:2 and Revelation 19:7-9 and 21:1,2) And in the bible the word Beast is: "Thease great beasts which are four, which are four kings. Now take into account this verse: I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast.(Rev. 17:3)

from the knowledge givin to us from the bible we are then able to say that a woman = church and beast = a nation. Now Daniel Verse 7:23 states that "The Fourth Kingdom Upon Earth, Shall be diverse from all kingdoms. Where on earth are church and nation combined as one? The Vatican in rome.(Roman Catholic Church= Woman and Vatican city = beast.) also,.Rev. 17:3 also states: I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast with seven heads. Revelations 17:9 declaires that thease seven heads are the seven mountains on which the woman sitteth. A Mountain can also be described as a hill. The Catholic church admits that "It is within the city of rome called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of vatican state is now confined."(Catholic Encyclopedia Page 529.)

then on rev. 13:17,18 it states: The Number of the beast(church) is the number of a man. and his number is six hundred threescore and six.(666) which means that there will be a man at the head of this church that will have a name with a numeric value of 666 on it.

Now the truth is, all popes carry one name with them, from pope to pope they all inheret this name. it's name is VICARIUS FILII DEI which is latin for: vicar of the son of god. convert VICARIUS FILII DEI into its roman numerical value and you get: VICARIUS=112 FILII=53 DEI=501 which added up together is oddly enough 666. Now there are many titles that popes are givin and they too all add up to 666.

Rev 13:1 also states, "And i stood upon the sands of the sea and saw a beast rise from the see. having seven heads, and upon each head, the name of blasphamy. There are two definitions of blasphamy in the bible. 1: when a man claims he is god himself (John 10:33) and When a man claims to have the ability to forgive sins and to do other godly deeds. (Luke 5:21) now does the pope claim to be a god on earth? In fact he does.

The Vatican Declairs:" The roman pontiff judges all men, but is judged by noone. We declaire, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the roman pontiff, is to every human creature, nessisary for salvation that which was spoken of christ Thou has subdued all things under his feet, may well seem verified in me. I have the authority of the king of kings, i am all in all and above all so that god himself and i, Vicar of god, have one consistory, and that i am able to do all that god can do. THE BULL UNAM SANCTAM ISSUED BY POPE BONIFACE VIII.

does he claim to have the ability to forgive sins? that he also does.

Vatican also states: "The Judicial authority will even include the power to forgive sin" The catholic encyclopedia Vol.12 Article "POPE" page 265.


now Rev. 17:8 states : Behold The Beast That Was, And Is Not, And Yet Is.

Which means that this beast will be in power at one time, than was inactive and than was back in power.

Which history would show a nation as:
a nation that was in power at one time.
is not in power at one time,
yet is back in power.

The Vatican Was In Power,(Vigilius, assended the papal chair "538 A.D" under the lilitary protection of belisarius)History of christian church vol3 Page 327.

The Vatican Lost Its Power in 1789 when General berthier made his enterence into rome and ambolised the papal government and established a secular one".

And The Vatican was restored:

This morning there was another sovereign independent state in the world, Premier mussolini and cardinal gasparri signed the sovereign indipendent state of vatican city into existance.- NewYork times July 7th 1929

which prooves the statement made by revelation.
The Vatican Was In Power:538 - 1798
Is not a power:1798 - 1929
And yet was a power from 1929 - present.

Now i know this is alot of information, but we are almost done.

Daniel 7:25 states "He shall think to change times and laws"

and yet again: "The pope has the power to change times and to abrogate (change) laws. (the pope can modify divine laws) - ferral ecclesiastical dictionary.
An example of this is when the vatican ambolished saturday (last day of the week) and made Sunday(first day of the week) the "new holyday"

not 1 part of the bible states that the sabbath be transfered from the last day to first.

Rev 17:12 states that "Ten kings will recieve power as kings one hour with the beast." Which in turn means that before the end the roman catholic church will initiate a general role structure by seperating the world into ten kingdoms.

This Has Happened in 1968 where leaders from 10 different countries joined in the vatican. they claimed to have the solutions for world peace and prosperity. They have been charged with the task of overseeing the unification of the entire world. they had divided the world into 10 political/economic regions which are reffered to as "kingdoms"

Kingdoms:

1) Canada and The USA
2)EU/Western Europe
3) Japan
4) Australia , newzealand, south africa, and israel
5)Eastern Europe
6)Mexico, Latin Europe,
7)North Africa/Mid east.
8)central africa
9)south/southeast asia
10)central asia

Now, revelation 17:4 and in 18.16-17 says The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet and becked with gold holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations, and the impurities of her fornication.

in the book that i stated at the beginning of this thread. it states that when the bible speaks of babylon it doesn't actually mean babylon, it means rome. and since woman = church, the statment from 18.16-17 of rev would mean the woman is actually the church arrayed in purple and scarlet and becked with gold (pope's bishops wear purple, Cardnals Wear scarlet and they all wear a goldan cross.)

This All leads to the pope and the vatican as the source of the antichrist.

I hope this post wasnt a bore and wasn't too long.

That is very interesting, ty, now you have me wanting to read more.

I've read a lot of interpretations of Revelation, but this one IS very interesting. Thank you. I'd love to read more.

Documentation please:

This Has Happened in 1968 where leaders from 10 different countries joined in the vatican. they claimed to have the solutions for world peace and prosperity. They have been charged with the task of overseeing the unification of the entire world. they had divided the world into 10 political/economic regions which are reffered to as "kingdoms"

Kingdoms:

1) Canada and The USA
2)EU/Western Europe
3) Japan
4) Australia , newzealand, south africa, and israel
5)Eastern Europe
6)Mexico, Latin Europe,
7)North Africa/Mid east.
8)central africa
9)south/southeast asia
10)central asia

hmm, very interesting, though it has been stated before that the catholic church had something to do with the end times but remainded unclear, I'd love to read more.

the book itself gives little refrence to the catholic church. just enough for me to base my theories on. excuse any spelling errors im on my new psp=)

End of the world has something to do with the vatican, sure does, when its coming i bet a lot of people will be praying their arse off.

However on a serious note while i do think there are sinister elements within the vatican, as there are in any large organisation, the power of the Vatican in the world today is not very great, as most major players in the world are either non-christian or masonic (and hence anti catholic) states

definately sumat dodgy goin on there:vicar: