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Feb 10 2008, 08:13 PM
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Call me nuts but I think the whole "global warming" thing is all a fake, set up by the governemnt to scare us. Anyone ever seen those flood insurance commercials? Seems a little suspicious to me
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Feb 10 2008, 10:10 PM
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![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 624 Joined: 1-July 07 From: Michigan Member No.: 5,912 |
I've never seen flood insurance commercials, but, if anything, those are ordinary people simply trying to take advantage of the situation-- I doubt the government is behind THAT.
I, personally, have a different take on global warming. I believe it is very real, becoming increasingly threatening, and that our government isn't doing half as much as it could to be helping the situation. -------------------- You can have my isolation, You can have the hate that it brings... ![]() |
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Feb 11 2008, 12:56 AM
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I beleive is all propiganda to make money off the us citzens for insurance and for al gore and to make him and other evirmental wackos more richer thats why he had a live earth concert to make himself more richer it is nothing but cash to them.
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Feb 11 2008, 09:09 AM
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Group: Supporters Posts: 2,143 Joined: 23-December 03 From: usually Tokyo Member No.: 129 |
(Dsm1985;347564) I beleive is all propiganda to make money off the us citzens for insurance and for al gore and to make him and other evirmental wackos more richer thats why he had a live earth concert to make himself more richer it is nothing but cash to them.
That is so self centered. Wake up! There are about 200 nations on Earth that are not called "The United States of America"..and the majority of scientists in those nations, though often disagreeing on the details, agree that the phenomona is real. Even if you dont believe that it is human-induced, global warming is here. |
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Feb 11 2008, 09:12 AM
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![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,147 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
Global warming is for real. But I do not think that man has had the impact that they want us to think.
I believe it is a natural cycle. Isn't there a cycle in the amount of active volcanos at any one time? At any rate, I think there is a cycle to the global temperatures. A full cycle taking several hundred years. Correct me if I'm wrong. -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Feb 11 2008, 03:23 PM
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well soul-drifter i would have to disagree like the character in your icon so intelligently put it humans are viruses we use things up then toss them aside. Now i would be willing to accept that global warming is a convient distraction for the ptb from something more but still i consider it a top priority.
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Feb 11 2008, 04:58 PM
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(GrabThyHand;347559) I've never seen flood insurance commercials, but, if anything, those are ordinary people simply trying to take advantage of the situation-- I doubt the government is behind THAT.
I, personally, have a different take on global warming. I believe it is very real, becoming increasingly threatening, and that our government isn't doing half as much as it could to be helping the situation. Global warming is VERY VERY real . example , the glaciers are MELTING . and YES I agree OUR Gov. could be doing alot to correct that problem . |
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Feb 11 2008, 05:18 PM
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![]() The Skeptical Child Group: Supporters Posts: 2,288 Joined: 29-April 07 From: Japan Member No.: 5,722 |
SD, I both agree and disagree with you. All the evidence I've seen indicates that there IS a natural cycle of warming and cooling that the planet goes through. It's actually quite interesting. However, I DO believe that human beings have, both now and in the past, caused changes in how fast the cycle progresses.
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Feb 11 2008, 05:50 PM
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![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,147 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
(kirin-rex;347597) SD, I both agree and disagree with you. All the evidence I've seen indicates that there IS a natural cycle of warming and cooling that the planet goes through. It's actually quite interesting. However, I DO believe that human beings have, both now and in the past, caused changes in how fast the cycle progresses. What I was trying to say was that man does not have as big of an effect as so many groups would want us to think. Does anyone know the amount of ash and pollution an average active volcano puts out into the atmosphere? It must be enormous. Now multiply that by all the known active volcanos. How does this compare to what man puts out. Plus how much effect do undersea volcanoes have on sea temperatures? I have no doubt that man has an effect. I just do not think it is as big as most of us think it is. Here is what I found on active volcanoes. ." At least 20 volcanoes will probably be erupting as you read these words (Italy's Stromboli, for example, has been erupting for more than a thousand years); roughly 60 erupted each year through the 1990s; 154 in the full decade 1990-1999; about 550 have had historically documented eruptions; about 1300 (and perhaps more than 1500) have erupted in the Holocene (past 10,000 years); and some estimates of young seafloor volcanoes exceed a million. Because dormant intervals between Here is a bit on their pollution impact. Volcanic pollution : impacts on atmosphere, ecosystems and health
Besides human activities, volcanoes also introduce significant quantities of potentially harmful chemical compounds into the environment, mainly in the forms of gases and particles. As exemplified by volcanic events of massive proportions, the impacts can be profound and global. Such eruptions are capable of injecting millions of tonnes of sulphur dioxide gas into the stratosphere (more than ten miles above us) within short periods of time. There, the sulphur dioxide is oxidised to form a cloud of sulphuric acid droplets (or aerosols), which work to alter interactions between the atmosphere and sun, and so affect the Earth’s climate. Less violent eruptions that are mainly restricted to the troposphere (the lowest layer of the Earth’s atmosphere) are much less likely to alter global climate. However, their regional environmental effects can be equally severe. One of the greatest environmental disasters of the last 250 years was triggered by an Icelandic fissure eruption. Over 8 months in 1783-4, enormous emissions of sulphur dioxide, hydrogen chloride and hydrogen fluoride were disgorged and a volcanic pollutant cloud formed over the island. The cloud, often referred to as a dry acid fog, also fumigated many parts of Europe, causing damage to vegetation and public health problems. In Iceland alone, an estimated 10,000 people died, due mainly to a famine that took hold after the country’s food and drinking water supplies were contaminated by fluorine.Poisonous gases also are released continuously or semi-continuously into the environment by non-erupting volcanoes. For example, Mount Etna in Sicily emits 3,000 tons of sulphur dioxide on an average day, which is equivalent to the UK’s total industrial emissions. Up to 10,000 tons of sulphur dioxide can be released during episodes of intense activity. Non-eruptive plumes can disrupt ecosystems, cause crop failures and adversely affect public health around areas in the immediate vicinity of a volcano. In Nicaragua, emissions from the Masaya volcano have completely destroyed coffee plantations that once thrived in the fertile volcanic soil. Only the occasional ruined building, slowly corroding away by the action of volcanic acid gases and rain, now punctuates the desolated landscape. Yet, most of the local population has no choice but to stay put and wait for the volcano to shut off. The effects, or potential effects, of active volcanoes on the environment and on public health is an important issue, given the large number of communities, including megacities, that exist and keep growing around and upon active and dormant volcanoes. One estimate is that around half a billion people live within 100 km of an historically active volcano, mostly in densely populated cities. At York, we are adopting a multidisciplinary approach to investigate the atmospheric, environmental and health hazards posed by volcanic activity. In particular, we are studying how gas and particles evolve in volcanic plumes, how different types of soils respond to volcanic acid inputs and how tropical vegetation is affected by volcanic gases. The long-term goal is to identify best practice in volcanic pollution risk assessment and management. Weblinks: See the US Geological Survey site for information on various volcanic topics, including worldwide activity, monitoring and hazards: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/ The Michigan Technological University Volcano website has sections on volcanic products, volcanoes and climate change, volcanic hazards mitigation, Central American volcanoes and remote sensing: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/vc_web/overview/o_sc_volcano_climate.html The International Volcanic Health Hazard Network gathers information on a diverse range of scientific disciplines such as volcanology, epidemiology, toxicology, public health and physical chemistry to try and determine the health effects of volcanic emissions: http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~glcjh/ivhhn/index.html [COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR] Page last updated 12 August 2006 | Environment Department, University of York. Problems or Queries about this site? e-mail Dave Hay: drh3@york.ac.uk -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Feb 11 2008, 11:05 PM
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![]() Registered User Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 23-November 03 Member No.: 34 |
Global Warming, yes it is real, but not the way it is portrayed. This earth has been cooling and warming for all of its life time and just because it is going through another warm period does not make us automatically responsible for what is happening.
The other thing I take as pretty odd is that any scientist that speaks out against Global Warming is one that is either retiring or retired and thus have no potential funding to lose for speaking out against this issue. The fact is as long as money is a factor in research there will always be bias studies, as the money must come from somewhere which in turn has its own opinions on whatever matter the study is being conducted on. For example; if a scientist is being funded by someone saying Global Warming is real and they end up saying that it is indeed not real, do you think they will be getting anymore funding? |
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Feb 12 2008, 08:31 AM
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Group: Supporters Posts: 2,143 Joined: 23-December 03 From: usually Tokyo Member No.: 129 |
There are cycles.. and thats one of the key evidences that humans are affecting the global climate. We know the rate of change in the past, and current change exceeds it and is accelerating.
Despite propaganda to the contratry, volcanos add only a fraction of the CO2 to the atmosphere that humans do (.15 GT vs. 7 GT). Interesting discussion here: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...imate/#more-306 |
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Feb 12 2008, 03:55 PM
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![]() Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,147 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
Thanks for that info Vetamur.
That was enlightening for me. I wonder how much effect, deforrestation is having on the rising CO2? -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Feb 12 2008, 07:12 PM
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I saw an interesting program on the Science Channel regarding Global Warming and how it is seriously being viewed as a potential for disaster in regards to many major coastal cities being affected by even a little rise in sea level.
Global Warming appears to be a cyclic natural phenom unknown a hundred or so years ago. (Yes, it appears Humanity is adding to it.) Modern Humanity built their Civilization on the presumption the Earth has a relatively stable/predictable climate and this climate could be expected to stay stable for thousands of years. So, portions of Modern Humanity built their infrastructures accordingly and now it appears a significant part of this infrastructure was not built on ’solid ground’. Now the rush is on to figure out how to deal with things like a rising sea level’s impact on cities like New York etc. during storm surges etc. Giant storm surge gates have been in use on the Thames River for awhile now to prevent London from going under during storm surges and New York City is looking to do the same. The travesty here is not that the Earth warms and cools throughout its life or that Humanity is helping it along, but rather, Humanity was unaware of this cyclic nature of our Planet… Until recently. This Global Warming thing is polarizing some factions with the net result being that instead of seeking a concerted effort to get through this natural cycle (helped along by Humans), people are trying to garner support as to the ’why’ of it. Knowing the why is great, but the question that needs to be addressed Now is How… How do we prepare for this eventuality and how do we minimize the danger inherent in this phenomenon? And How should we deal with these major coastal cities’ vulnerability to the effects of Global Warming in the Future? (The small coastal towns and cities will probably be evacuated, like where I live… :cry: ) Is it best to build a ‘seawall’ around every major coastal city? Or is it wiser to figure out a way to build Coastal Cities that can endure a cyclic rise and fall of the sea level? Is it possible to ‘control’ the Earth’s climate to suit Humanity’s purpose? Is it wise to even attempt this with our meager technology? Instead of squabbling about who/what is causing this Global Warming, the Global Community needs to work together to find a way to minimize the negative effects Global Warming will have on Human Civilization imho. I remember Ronald Reagan saying something along the lines that what may have to happen in order for the World to unite as One is that a major threat from ’without’ needed to present to Humanity and then maybe the World’s Nations would forget their petty squabbles and work together as a team in order to defeat the threat. Global Warming may be a component of the ‘glue’ needed for Humanity to realize this. Then again, some Nations, Groups of People or even Individuals may view this threat as an opportunity to advance their own position on the World Stage:( ~rore -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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Feb 12 2008, 07:34 PM
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![]() The Skeptical Child Group: Supporters Posts: 2,288 Joined: 29-April 07 From: Japan Member No.: 5,722 |
(SOUL-DRIFTER;347654) Thanks for that info Vetamur.
That was enlightening for me. I wonder how much effect, deforrestation is having on the rising CO2? Deforestation certainly has an effect, but remember: When Europeans first came to America, great forests stretched from the Mississippi River to the East Coast. People said that a squirrel could go from the Mississippi River to the Sea without touching the ground. By 1900, much of that wood was already gone: clearcut completely away for lumber and settlements. The rain forests of Central America are actually only a few hundred years old. I've read that people a long time ago cut down most of the forests and had a thriving culture including large settlements and farms: however, climate change and war in Central America collapsed those civilizations, and the forests regrew. Then there was a massive forest fire across multiple states in the Western US before Columbus. According to Native American stories, the fire was started by people trying to drive wild game during a massive hunt, and the story was retold as a warning. Scientists have confirmed that the fire did indeed take place, but they naturally don't know the cause except through these Native American stories. -------------------- "A Wise Man looks at a grain of sand and sees the Universe...
A Silly Man picks up a piece of seeweed, puts it around his neck and runs along the beach yelling: Look at me, I'm The Vine Man... Dingo Brains |
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