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 Feb 22 2008, 09:54 AM
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anyone got any theories on this ,does anyone believe in it and how does it occur?
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Feb 22 2008, 10:08 AM
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Spontaneous Combustion is a fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_Combustion Human Spontaneous Combustion? Check the below link out... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion And then check out the “wick effect” link… ~rore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick_effect -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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Feb 22 2008, 08:28 PM
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thankyou very much for that ,do you believe in that truly? i am quite a sceptical about it .i dont think that ,that can actually happen to the human body without ?....:confused:
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Feb 22 2008, 10:43 PM
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I do not think spontaneous human combustion occurs.
I have seen the wick effect demonstrated using a pig and I have seen the grizzly remains of Humans who apparently died from the wick effect…ughhh ~rore -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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Feb 22 2008, 10:48 PM
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How does it actually happen? Do you think it hurts them?
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Feb 23 2008, 04:43 AM
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 ((( Bring The Rain ))) Group: Members Posts: 4,547 Joined: 18-June 06 From: Cambridgeshire England Member No.: 4,543 |
(lillith@;348486) thankyou very much for that ,do you believe in that truly? i am quite a sceptical about it .i dont think that ,that can actually happen to the human body without ?....:confused:
If spontaneous human combustion does exist i think i would find it rather disconcerting knowing that it could happen.... -------------------- Nathanial "a_skeptic" Meade 1979-2007 RIP |
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Feb 23 2008, 08:48 PM
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Well I am still convinced.
The wick effect didn't quite fit the bill. There are many problems with the QED program, which were raised by John E Heymer (who was unhappy with his own appearance on the show):
The wick effect, while a real phenomenon, is a slow "smoldering" process with gentle lapping flames and thus very at odds with the reported rapidity and ferocity of SHC. The use of accelerants was not appropriate, since they are not a known factor in apparent SHC. The programme made use of time-lapse photography in demonstrating the wick effect, without labeling it as such. This undoubtedly led many viewers to erroneous conclusions about the rapidity of the wick effect, which (as discussed above) is a slow process. One section of the programme attempted to demonstrate the wick effect" on a wooden-framed stuffed armchair, presumably because of difficulties in procuring a human body and various ethical matters arising thereof. The armchair resolutely refused to behave in the manner predicted. When the armchair remained 80 percent unburned, this was announced as a partial demonstration of an effect that could happen under other conditions (if the chair were a corpse). “ There's one mystery I'm asked about more than any other: spontaneous human combustion. Some cases seem to defy explanation, and leave me with a creepy and very unscientific feeling. If there's anything more to SHC, I simply don't want to know. ”
—Arthur C. Clarke (1994) --------------------  QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Feb 23 2008, 10:12 PM
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I’m convinced there are no scientifically documented cases of a Human spontaneously bursting into flame and burning completely up in a matter of minutes.
There are documented cases of people who have been consumed by the wick effect though, with their limbs charred like one would find if one threw a log with branches into a fire. The next morning, the log is ash but some of the limbs have not completely burned. ~rore -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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Feb 24 2008, 03:18 PM
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Group: Super Moderators Posts: 5,152 Joined: 10-July 06 From: Wild Rose, Wisconsin Member No.: 4,643 |
Scientifically documented? There is very little if anything in the Fortean Phenomena that has scientific documentation.
I did see a program some years back where the wife says she saw her husbands leg just suddenly erupt into flames. As I recall, he was not a smoker either, nor near anything hot or flammable. He didn't go up in flames as he and his wife extinguished it. I'll see if I can find that case somewhere. -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Mar 1 2008, 01:49 AM
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(rorechof;348550) I’m convinced there are no scientifically documented cases of a Human spontaneously bursting into flame and burning completely up in a matter of minutes.
There are documented cases of people who have been consumed by the wick effect though, with their limbs charred like one would find if one threw a log with branches into a fire. The next morning, the log is ash but some of the limbs have not completely burned. ~rore I disagree and am inclined to believe that SHC is an unfortunate effect of geo-thermal ball lightning. |
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Mar 1 2008, 04:29 AM
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In regard to spontaneous human combustion (SHC):
In most cases (p=0.948), SHC can be explained by the fact that the body becomes ignited from some outside cause such as burning clothing, a burning mattress, chair or other means. Once the body starts to burn there are enough fat and other inflammable substances to permit varying amounts of destruction to take place. Sometimes this destruction by burning will proceed to a degree which results in almost complete somatocausia (combustion of the body). In this case, the absence of any scorching or damage to furniture in the room can only be explained by the fact that heat liberated by the burning body had a tendency to rise and formed a layer of hot air which never came in contact with the furnishings on a lower level. This situation would have occurred particularly if the fire had smouldered rather than burned freely. This conclusion was reached by several laboratories in 1951, it reflects sound argument and hard evidence. And more than half a century on, it still offers a logical explanation to a phenomenon that many continue to believe belongs in the realm of the unexplained. --------------------  |
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Mar 1 2008, 07:30 AM
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Spontaneous Human Combustion: don't drink cheap gin next to the fire.
-------------------- "A Wise Man looks at a grain of sand and sees the Universe...
A Silly Man picks up a piece of seeweed, puts it around his neck and runs along the beach yelling: Look at me, I'm The Vine Man... Dingo Brains |
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Mar 1 2008, 08:34 AM
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[QUOTE=allison1597;349239]In regard to spontaneous human combustion (SHC):
[I]In most cases (p=0.948), SHC can be explained by the fact that the body becomes ignited from some outside cause such as burning clothing, a burning mattress, chair or other means. Once the body starts to burn there are enough fat and other inflammable substances to permit varying amounts of destruction to take place. Sometimes this destruction by burning will proceed to a degree which results in almost complete somatocausia (combustion of the body). Then why doesn't a man that gets fried with 15,000 volts get consumed to ashes. I have seen the effects of this and even higher voltages to 50,000 volts! Yet none of them were reduced to ashes as in classic SHC cases. In fact they were all completely intact. An overweight alcoholic burns up in his automobile. When he was found, he was charred, but again intact. And again not at all like SHC. -------------------- QUEST FOR THE REAL TRUTH |
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Mar 1 2008, 10:22 AM
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Here’s a pic for ya… It’s gross…
Why did this limb not burn too? ~rore http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/7/k/A/shc_lg.jpg More at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Irving_Bentley -------------------- Peace&Love~rore
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