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post Jun 1 2008, 12:19 AM
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Why do aliens always look human, or have faces? I mean they evolved on a different planet, in a different solar system, or galaxy, why would their evolution be like our evolution? Look at the ocean, than look at land(on our planet). The ocean is just a couple of miles away, but life in the ocean and life on land is so different, but your going to come up to me and tell me that a being from a different planet, in a different solar system, and galaxy, billions of light years away, would have hands, eyes, walk upright, and sometimes speak english, and I should believe you?
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post Jun 1 2008, 01:09 AM
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good point.maybe the humanoid shape is the best design,or perhaps we fear somthing more if it is somehow,shall i say familiar.would we recognise something we couldn't relate too.life finds a design that works best,or should i say evolution does.if we do catch one or meet them,we may find that though we are worlds apart,we share the same hopes and dreams and the universe.
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post Jun 1 2008, 01:31 AM
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You are thinking with a false premise. You assume these life forms evolved separately and have nothing to do with each other. You have no basis for this assumption. That Darwin didn't draw a connection may mean you will not read about what happened between the races. Such will drive you crazy because you assumed that Earth proceeded by evolution alone and that these species were never in contact in the past.

There was a day and age not long ago in our history where such a connection would be beyond the recognition and correlation of those studying the subject. So of course, it does not appear in the research thus far. That it has still not entered the subject is presenting a problem that you have spotted.

Man is in great contradiction with the rest of life on Earth. Clearly very different factors were involved in his development.

As little is known of aliens, there is no way at the moment to scientifically quantify the correlations between man and other alien species. This produces room for skepticism in what I am proposing. But not that it is not true.
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post Jun 1 2008, 01:55 AM
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life finds a design that suits the enviroment,where life is possible.if their enviroment is similar to ours would they evolve in a similar way,starting out as micro-organism and developing not into just one life form but thousands of different species and types.their history would be different,shaped by different events,and disasters.maybe other races in other planets have evolved quicker and better,maybe some are hell like squirming with canalbalastic creatures,that only eat and pro-create.who knows,we can all only guess.
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post Jun 1 2008, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (ScottMan @ Jun 1 2008, 07:21 AM) *
You are thinking with a false premise. You assume these life forms evolved separately and have nothing to do with each other. You have no basis for this assumption.


And? don't leave us hanging. After the "You assume these life forms evolved separately and have nothing to do with each other" is the part where you give us evidence of them not evolving separately, or any evidence suggesting they ever came in contact with this planet.

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That Darwin didn't draw a connection may mean you will not read about what happened between the races. Such will drive you crazy because you assumed that Earth proceeded by evolution alone and that these species were never in contact in the past.


And I'm the one making assumptions

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There was a day and age not long ago in our history where such a connection would be beyond the recognition and correlation of those studying the subject. So of course, it does not appear in the research thus far. That it has still not entered the subject is presenting a problem that you have spotted.


Research?


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Man is in great contradiction with the rest of life on Earth. Clearly very different factors were involved in his development.


Are you saying we humans had a helping hand in our evolution, by someone or something, which there is no evidence to suggest. Is what your claiming any different from what the religious would say (god). I don't know what your answer would be, but others say aliens helped us evolve.

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As little is known of aliens, there is no way at the moment to scientifically quantify the correlations between man and other alien species. This produces room for skepticism in what I am proposing. But not that it is not true.


And little it is.

Than how are people coming up with all this fantastic claims of encounters with such beings if little is known of them.?

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post Jun 1 2008, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE (macdaddy @ Jun 1 2008, 07:45 AM) *
who knows,we can all only guess.


That's the best comment I've read on here so far.
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post Jun 1 2008, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (pcuser @ Jun 1 2008, 02:01 PM) *
That's the best comment I've read on here so far.


I disagree.

If we are to take any eyewitness account in the entire history of this subject, we have a very good idea of what they look like.
If you wish to totally disreguard every account...then that leaves little to discuss doesn't it?
Same for all reports as well.
It basically comes down to your level of knowledge and enthusiasm(activity) on the subject.
I hope that didn't not offend anyone when I said that. But I find those that have spent a great deal of time and delved themselves deeply enough into this entire subject, come to to the conclusion that we are being visited by ETs. The evidence is abundant.

Why humanoid in shape?

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http://www.alien-ufos.com/Aliens-Thought-t20448.html


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post Jun 1 2008, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (pcuser @ May 31 2008, 11:09 PM) *
Why do aliens always look human, or have faces?

This is something that's always sort of bugged me, too. It just seems a bit too Star Trekkish that visiting aliens would have a head with two eyes and a mouth, a torso, two arms and two legs. Now, I'll give you that just about all multi-celled life on Earth has most, if not all, of their important sensory organs near their brain. However, I can think of much more efficient body styles which include multiple limbs, a more protected "cpu", and wider angles of vision, ideally 360 x 360 using a much wider bandwidth. I personally have no doubt that we're at the very least being watched, but am dubious of contacts with humanoid aliens.
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post Jun 1 2008, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (maullin @ Jun 1 2008, 11:44 PM) *
This is something that's always sort of bugged me, too. It just seems a bit too Star Trekkish that visiting aliens would have a head with two eyes and a mouth, a torso, two arms and two legs. Now, I'll give you that just about all multi-celled life on Earth has most, if not all, of their important sensory organs near their brain. However, I can think of much more efficient body styles which include multiple limbs, a more protected "cpu", and wider angles of vision, ideally 360 x 360 using a much wider bandwidth. I personally have no doubt that we're at the very least being watched, but am dubious of contacts with humanoid aliens.


Well, several possibilities: maybe they aren't from another star. Maybe they're from the future, or another dimension.

Also, if all matter in the universe was once joined prior to the big bang, isn't it possible that ALL life in the universe contains the same set of codes imprinted on its amino acid chains? Isn't it possible that mitochondria will exist EVERYWHERE in the universe, and that the bilaterally symetrical form will likewise be the existing standard for biological development in the universe? Just a thought.


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post Jun 1 2008, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (kirin-rex @ Jun 1 2008, 05:09 PM) *
Also, if all matter in the universe was once joined prior to the big bang, isn't it possible that ALL life in the universe contains the same set of codes imprinted on its amino acid chains?

Well, there wasn't anything prior to the Big Bang, but even trying to explain some sort of "code" on a quantum level, how would it account for the huge diversity of body styles even here on earth, especially before the large extinction event of a little over 600 million years ago? A huge percentage of body styles prior to that event would look completely out of this world to you and me, and that was here on Earth. Earth has seen several mass extinction events, and out of each come radically different body styles to the dominant genre. To suggest that visiting aliens developed a body style almost identical to the Earth style that's existed for less than several million years is a stretch, in my opinion.
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post Jun 1 2008, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (kirin-rex @ Jun 2 2008, 12:09 AM) *
Well, several possibilities: maybe they aren't from another star. Maybe they're from the future, or another dimension.

Also, if all matter in the universe was once joined prior to the big bang, isn't it possible that ALL life in the universe contains the same set of codes imprinted on its amino acid chains? Isn't it possible that mitochondria will exist EVERYWHERE in the universe, and that the bilaterally symetrical form will likewise be the existing standard for biological development in the universe? Just a thought.



I don't think the people who think they come from other planets will take too kindly to your theory.
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post Jun 1 2008, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Jun 1 2008, 08:49 PM) *
I disagree.

If we are to take any eyewitness account in the entire history of this subject, we have a very good idea of what they look like.
If you wish to totally disreguard every account...then that leaves little to discuss doesn't it?
Same for all reports as well.
It basically comes down to your level of knowledge and enthusiasm(activity) on the subject.
I hope that didn't not offend anyone when I said that. But I find those that have spent a great deal of time and delved themselves deeply enough into this entire subject, come to to the conclusion that we are being visited by ETs. The evidence is abundant.
Why humanoid in shape?

Read this..

http://www.alien-ufos.com/Aliens-Thought-t20448.html


Nice post, but that's far fetched. I mean their environment, and evolution has to be like ours, for them to maybe have evolved like life on this planet.

There are thousands of reports of alien encounters, most or all look humanoid, have faces, eyes. The aliens always have faces that resemble ours. They look like they evolved on earth, all living things on earth have those similarities because they had a common ancestor millions of years ago. They can't be aliens they must of evolved on this planet.

I would love if you give me or recommended me a case where, the alien(s) don't look, human or humanoid, I don't mean an octopus looking alien, or jellyfish, or bug looking alien, something I can saw wow. I want something out of this world.
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QUOTE (pcuser @ Jun 2 2008, 01:30 AM) *
Nice post, but that's far fetched. I mean their environment, and evolution has to be like ours, for them to maybe have evolved like life on this planet.

There are thousands of reports of alien encounters, most or all look humanoid, have faces, eyes. The aliens always have faces that resemble ours. They look like they evolved on earth, all living things on earth have those similarities because they had a common ancestor millions of years ago. They can't be aliens they must of evolved on this planet.

I would love if you give me or recommended me a case where, the alien(s) don't look, human or humanoid, I don't mean an octopus looking alien, or jellyfish, or bug looking alien, something I can saw wow. I want something out of this world.


I can't give you science, but I can give you fiction. Read H.P.Lovecraft. Now HIS aliens are alien indeed.


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post Jun 1 2008, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (pcuser @ May 31 2008, 11:09 PM) *
Why do aliens always look human

Also, why are they always (roughly) the same size we are? Seems to me that depending upon the size of the home planet, (because of gravity variances) intelligent aliens might range in size from too small to see with the naked eye to _extremely_ large.
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QUOTE (maullin @ Jun 2 2008, 03:04 AM) *
Also, why are they always (roughly) the same size we are? Seems to me that depending upon the size of the home planet, (because of gravity variances) intelligent aliens might range in size from too small to see with the naked eye to _extremely_ large.



Yeah, I've wondered that also, but again we're talking about the alien ufo subject, someone can just come up with a reason, such as,

The reason they are the same size as us, is because they brought us onto this planet long ago blahblablah, and that's why they've been watching us. Also they've been genetically engineering hybrids. They've been working with a covert part of the
government where they do this such research, they also helped engineer the liger.

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QUOTE (maullin @ Jun 2 2008, 03:04 AM) *
Also, why are they always (roughly) the same size we are? Seems to me that depending upon the size of the home planet, (because of gravity variances) intelligent aliens might range in size from too small to see with the naked eye to _extremely_ large.



Interesting point, and one which Douglass Adams often brought up (such as his example of an invading battle fleet being swallowed by a small dog).

Still who knows?


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It could be that we are being visited by some that look totally alien, but avoid being seen until we become accustomed to the idea that we are not alone.

Look at the humanoid form.
What could be more efficient as we are in all the things that we do?
Two legs is great for agility to duck, jump, quickly run. Our two arms with the dexterity we have is very efficient. Our two eyes set on our heads we can quicky turn left or right, up or down. And of coarse our fingers for handling.
Our bodies are shaped for survival.

While you can argue for a multilimbed alien or the like, but I do not see that being a good form to ensure survival.
I am not saying that there does not exist aliens such as this or stranger, fact, I believe there is, but I feel the humanoid forms advantages are the reasons they may be a common form.


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maybe we evolved from them...or maybe we are their experiment.
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post Jun 2 2008, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE (ura probl3m @ Jun 2 2008, 03:22 PM) *
maybe we evolved from them...or maybe we are their experiment.

sometimes i think we are them,are histories are linked.i just hope they don't look like giant spiders YEEEAAGH!!!!

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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Jun 2 2008, 12:57 PM) *
It could be that we are being visited by some that look totally alien, but avoid being seen until we become accustomed to the idea that we are not alone.


See that's why I have a problem with this subject, because anyone can just make up a reason, if you read my last post you'll see.
But ok, I guess.

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Look at the humanoid form.
What could be more efficient as we are in all the things that we do?
Two legs is great for agility to duck, jump, quickly run. Our two arms with the dexterity we have is very efficient. Our two eyes set on our heads we can quicky turn left or right, up or down. And of coarse our fingers for handling.
Our bodies are shaped for survival.


What? walking upright is efficiant, you've never seen a cheetah in action? An Owl can turn it's head all the way around. Other animals can move their eyes around, to see behind them, if that's not efficent I don't know what is.

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While you can argue for a multilimbed alien or the like, but I do not see that being a good form to ensure survival.
I am not saying that there does not exist aliens such as this or stranger, fact, I believe there is, but I feel the humanoid forms advantages are the reasons they may be a common form.


OK.
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