Hi all, apolgies of this is the wrong place to post.


I like to believe that I am a skeptic. If something sounds too far fetched, then I'll search for a psychological/scientific answer to shot the theory out of the sky. I pride my self on this outlook. Then I learned of crop circles and I am dumbstruck. Is it really the work of a crazed farmer, running around in the dead of the night with a tape measurer and a combine harvester? Or is it proof of alien activity?

If I was asked to discuss this subject in class tomorrow, I would say that crop circles are the handy work of clever farmers, knowing the media and tourist attention would boost his income.

What do you think?

Is there any other 'non paranormal' answers?

Should I just give up and accept that this one can't be answerd with a rational scientific answer?


Ziva

hello ziva,i'm a non believer but find most subjects on this forum interesting and perhaps i want to believe like Fox Mulder.

The earliest crop circles of modern times appeared in the 1940's.i feel they are mostly hoaxed by students.the earlier ones i'm not so quick to dismiss.

alot mof crop circles are hoaxes, some are unexplainable, i want to beleve like mulder also, but i cant get passed this little voice in my head that screams give me evidence, so im skeptical as well, i do think there is life out there with the number of planets that are withen the halo zone around the stars that are big and young enough to give life, but im not shure. theres got to be soemthing out there though, theres got to be....

In my opinion, there is nothing alien about crop circles. Humans have proven time and time again that they are perfectly capable of making them, even the most amazing ones. If you don't think humans are capable of making such "grand" crop circles, just look at some of the other things we make all the time.

Crop circles are not hard to make if you know how to do it.

I agree that the most likely explanation for crop circles is human pranks. However, when my wife was single, about 20 years ago, she was horse riding with a friend on a rural farm. They were in the middle of several thousand acres, miles from any road, the population in the area is very sparse, most farms might be 5 or 10 miles apart with only a few houses in the area. It is 30km from the nearest town of any size. They rode there horses over a crest, adjacent to a stand of trees and right in front of them was a perfectly formed crop circle. It was perhaps 10 meters in diameter. Now could this have been done as a prank, absolutely. But htere was no tire marks in the long grass, no indication of anyone being there, just the grass that was broken by the horses. So ask yourself this, if you were going to the trouble of creating a crop circle, would you walk miles into private property, in a sparsely populated area, find a patch of dirt that could not be seen from anywhere but right next to it that lies between a hill and the tees where it could only be seen by absolute chance.
Not much reward in that prank I think.

There are 3 theories of crop circle creation.

1. Man-made pranks
2. Messages from above of alien origin
3. Man-made government debunking tools

Now I personally believe the least plausible answer for most crop circles is number 1. If you have ever watched a documentary or two on crop circles you'd know this is highly unlikely the cause.

That leaves us with 2 and 3. To believe 3 you must believe we possess extreme laser technology with extreme precision as most crop circles are "perfect" in respect to geometry. It is extremely hard, if not impossible, to free-hand a perfect circle let alone many of the other amazing designs we come to see (also plays a part in eliminating number 1).

Crop circles usually spring up over night (a period of approximately 8 hours) and some of the big ones would take days if not weeks to accomplish nor would it have the precision most crop circles seem to contain.

So the only possible explanations for the majority of crop circles in number 2 and 3. Which one of these is true I cannot say. It could be 2, it could be 3, it could be a combination of both...Pick your poison

there are groups of people that go out and do this for fun. some of them do it just for the sake of "art". there could be some other dry mundane cause at the bottom of it.

perhaps the idea was inspired by something grand. maybe some of them are / were the real deal.

if there was a message though... and it was important, i think i'd find a less subtle way of sounding the alarm. (and if thats the only way they can communicate then they aren't as advanced as most seem to assume.)

so... either way it must not be all that important.

i believe that crop circles are made by humans but that in some cases there is more behind it than just art, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k...feature=related

link doesn't work

my bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KoR2t-iM9k

When it comes to Crop Circles, it is like most other subjects, no one explantion will cover them all.
Certainly the bulk of them are created by talented pranksters. It could be that the government has had it's hand in some as well with perhaps a space based microwave beam. And it could very well be that some of the rest are alien in origin.

i think it is a way that aliens are giving us schematics for new technologies, and ideas.

it could also be a way to gently let us know that they are here, and they could be finding a way to realte to us.

the certain symbols, such as the ankh, the tree of life, the yin yang, the pentacle, the staff of hermes, i think, show evidence, that either, they understand us and have some knowledge of our folklore and beliefs, or they could be stating that they are the originators these concepts.

This post has been edited by vyrtigo: Aug 8 2008, 11:44 AM

ou dont now what you are saying,I read articles made by researchers ,is no way to do it for us with existing technology overnight,man this is one hundred 100f times 100f or even more,perfectly shaped designs.what's funny this crops this not cut down parts ,only liead down,this grain ,isnt at all destoyed,its alife,this scientist were checking ground waters,magnetism,many other things,this were guys from MIT,is no way to do it,so acurate in one night,this means or someon has technology what nobody else has from us,pradticaly one or another govdrment ,because its to big to do it in many places around the earth,

It is a bit hard to understand you. But if you claim that researchers said there was no way for us to do this with our current technology, I would love to get a source for that.

And I have seen videos where people make crop circles in only a matter of hours. I have also seen pictures of crop circles that look very well made, but is of earthly symbols, animals and even company logos.

There's a new show running on Discovery where the formation of crop circles is displayed.

They typically utilize GPS, and mapping. Strap walker boards on their feet, and move coordinated through the fields. Then, take a microwave emitter and cause background radiation.

What is fascinating, is spheres are often recording appearing during these hoaxes. Which can stun, or heighten the pranksters. After the immediate aforementioned sensation ceases, panic ensues. And, the formation of the crop circle is interrupted. Sometimes abandoned all together.

But, yeah, most accept them as planned hoaxes. Which is strange since Great Britain adamantly denies extra terrestrials, they publish a book with high quality photos of crop circles. Go figure

AE posts: But, yeah, most accept them as planned hoaxes. Which is strange since Great Britain adamantly denies extra terrestrials, they publish a book with high quality photos of crop circles. Go figure
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Go figure AE: The first crop circle to receive major media attention in the UK was an admitted hoax by 2 citizens of the UK.

I’ve already posted the history of these two in this forum.

Before their first crop circle attempt, there was nothing really going on with regards to the crop circle phenom in England.

Their first attempt did not garner much media attention sooo, they tried again.
It is after this second attempt that the crop circle phenom took off.

Makes one wonder where this phenom actually started…
And the answer is out there and these hoaxers capitalized on a variation of this phenom which was originally covered by the media in Australia before these two decided they wanted to hoax the public. ~rore

I was brushing up on wikipedia and the first one seems to be from the 17th century: "Mowing-Devil", with the first scientific study in 1880.
I find it fascinating that so many get attention at the press level for this, but you're in need of psych. assistance if you claim other forms of contact. Just goes to show people will accept what they want to, in a control order mechanism.
There's one in Scotland, I believe, that has a great video of a sphere that hovered and otherwise interfered with some pranksters making a crop circle. At first they were mesmerized, then there equipment started behaving erratically. It's hard to find the actual footage, because of the harrowing screams and outright frightened to death mannerisms of the crew filming. But, it's really interesting. Seemed to affect the gravitational field, if I recall correctly.

both the things

The circles I mentioned that got media attention in Oz (The 1966 Tully Saucer Nest) were circles of flattened interwoven reeds. They looked like large nests.
UFO’s were attributed to them only because someone claimed to have seen a saucer-shaped object rising over the nests.
Story and picture of Saucer Nest at below link:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case65.htm

It was a few years later the Brit Boys decided to hoax the public after reading about the attention the OZ ‘nests’ got.

Why now are soooo many people thinking it is some sort of communication with Aliens? Nothing better to do?
It makes little sense to me especially after so many people have been caught at or admitting to making these circles etc.

Also, nothing has come out of these ‘communiqués’ from space people that I am aware of. No messages from ET’s.

A few reported crop circles from a few hundred years ago and people now are trying to make a correlation that these things have been going on for millennia?

That’s not just a stretch imho, it’s ludicrous.

Those old circles were nothing like the designs we see nowadays.
And yet the technology used to produce these new designs (boarding, string and a good imagination) has been around for centuries.
What’s not adding up here?
Well maybe the long ago circles were created by a wind shear or combination of other extreme atmospheric conditions like plasma balls etc.
And maybe the reason we don’t hear about the prevalence of crop circles back then is that no farmer in their right mind is going to ruin their crop just for notoriety.
And if any locals decided they wanted to use that farmer’s field as a canvas I’ll bet that farmer would do a little more than just complain to the authorities. Like a pitch-fork up the buttt…owww

UFO’s buzzing crop making hoaxers in Scotland?
Why?
ET’s didn’t want them sending fake or erroneous messages to someone? Well, uhhh ok, I guess… ~rore

This post has been edited by rorechof: Aug 25 2008, 10:33 AM

If you have seen most of the crop circles especially the ones that have formed in the recent times, the question that comes to the mind is not who has done

this, but why has it been done ? The answers lie in the formations itself which are messages from a highly advanced conscious energy

probably of unearthly origin ( However are on earth among the millions of other trans-dimensional entities currently on planet earth ) or futuristic time travellers,

projections of the human psyche, the future us moving back in time to show us the signs to a changing world, a shifting human race !

How we react to these signs is up to each on of us for what shall be is a result of what we do NOW !




This post has been edited by 84735: Sep 6 2008, 02:55 PM