Here is image of the from Spirit PANCAM taken in 2008 during Sol 1448. Here is the false color image,


You will notice a circular mark or sign on the top left corner of the image. Here is a closeup of the mark or sign.


This is clearly visible even on the raw image.

Here is the link to the originals for for those too lazy to use the search for them.

In false color published in the image gallery,
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre...57_pos_2_br.jpg

And here is the raw image from Sol 1448 from Rover Spirit's PANCAM,

Images from Sol 1448,
http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p1448.html

Image ID: 2P254909155ESFAX16P2436L2M1
http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p...6P2436L2M1.HTML


Image ID: 2P254909177ESFAX16P2436L5M1
http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p...16P2436L5M1.JPG


Image ID: 2P254909237ESFAX16P2436L7M1
http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p...16P2436L7M1.JPG

Rohn

Hmmm. I usually see MY shapes in the CLOUDS, but to each their own. I wouldn't make too much of that rohnds. It's not like it's carved into rock: that's soil. You're looking at patterns in the dirt.

I would look Rohnds but I am way too LAZY to look at it.!

Rohn....yes some sort of feature is visible....due to the quality of the picture and the distance it is hard to identify. This area is not an area of abundant bedrock and as was said you are looking at patterns in the Martian soil......maybe even an old impact crater......albiet a very small one. Small sand dunes are even visible in the valley.

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p...16P2436L2M1.JPG

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/m...257_pos_2_b.jpg

The only sign that can really be seen says something impacted the surface quite a while ago.........what does it say to you?......

Also its not lazy for us to ask you to post images you already have......this way we know we are looking at the same landform

so what does the sign say to you?....

Way to ignore questions posed to you in other threads, pretty much says it all about what you post....

I have been posting here for the last few years and I have seen many things. I am not going to be dragged into a exchange of words without any result. If any one is interested in a meaningful debate I am more than willing. But I am not going to sit here to exchange insults and useless arguments back and forth. And that is why I ignore anyone's challenge that is lacking substance.

Only a few poster such as Castle-Bravo354 has and willing to tackle a topic objectively.

Second, I am using my real name here and I like to uphold my integrity among my colleague.

We all know the fate of John Lear at above topsecret at the hands of Simon Gray.

Both Mike and I had a similar fate at the hands of Gene Steinberg.

Since then, most of us are here to present our ideas and research and minimal discussions.

Rohn

This post has been edited by rohnds: Aug 30 2008, 11:39 PM

PS: Anyone is welcome to IM directly to discus any matter. And I will freely oblige.

Rohn

well, that's neat... what can i say? but i do believe that at once there was supporting life on mars. but aliens wised up before they died there. we won't find anything there.. well at least, not all the aliens that stayed there.

iight dude not to disrespect ya or nothin but i think ur lookin too hard at that picture theres nothin there but dirt personally i believe there was at one point life on mars but it was primitive at best, comparable to dinosaurs not sayin that i knw what they mite have looked like or nothin but thats the best comparison i can give... now though the planets barren thats it thats my opinion aneway

Sorry Rohnds but that is a poor excuse for not aswering a simple question, i have not insulted you or argued with you, i just asked the question ''If as you claim NASA usually delete things of images then where do your images come from''..? ''If from NASA then they quite obviously don't delete everything or you would have nothing to post'', but if you can't or won't answer it, well thats ok...

This post has been edited by Fen Star: Aug 31 2008, 03:17 AM

Here is my with you problem Rohnds. You expect to be taken seriously, you post things, very often without a source, you make claims about your images, and make accusations about tampering. But more often than not, you have little or no interest in anything people have to say in return. You ignore so many of peoples comments, and often when you do answer, you don't take an objective approach to their criticism of your conclusions, and choose just to give the briefest comment. When I first come across your posts, I sent you 3 or 4 private messages offering support, and my time and whatever skills I had for your work. I got no response to any of them, when I eventually called you on it, you said something like, sorry, I hardly ever look at PMs, thats it, nothing more. You dont have to accept my offer, but simple manners might have suggested to you to say thanks but no thanks. That tells me straight away how little regard you have for others here. I suggested on a previous post you cite your images, not an unreasonable request considering the nature of them, what was your response in this thread.. Why would you expect anyone to search for images that you post when common sense and common courtesy would suggest you just cite your material like everyone else. I have said in the past i like your research and it is interesting. But making the kind of claims you do, about unsourced images is pretty likely to get questions. So ignore those that expect a little more from you if you want, I am sure you will find an audience od people willing to beleive everything you post on face value if you look hard enough. Try Nexus, I beleive their readers are pretty pliable. But if you want an audience of people to bounce ideas off and get others opinions on your material, well here seems like a good place. You never know, somone here might actually have a valid opinion on something you post.

This post has been edited by Dundee: Aug 31 2008, 06:54 AM

Nothing special.

yeah... looks like maybe an old impact crater...

???

The distance deviates what the image may be of. If it were closer, we'd have a more definitive "opinion" on it. However, since we don't it will and should very well remain speculatory.

As for those seemingly convinced there was once life on Mars but it no longer exists, I suggest a little more research. If research is what you go by, there is a far greater abundance to suggest life currently exists then life used to exist. Not to mention there is a very reasonable claim that the "Red planet" Mars isn't so red. The polar caps, the vegetation and the like, to me, clearly suggests an atmosphere and therefore it is more likely that Mars looks much more like Earth then most of us think.

If it is in fact "red" and dead, it's pretty clear it wasn't at one point and I have an idea of how this happened. There is significant proof of a past Nuclear War on Earth. Perhaps the people of Mars had a fallout with the people of Earth...Needless to say, we won

Got anything that is even close to evidence for this, you know evidence that you came accross during your research..? and please don't tell me to search the web,or look on youtube, you made the claims now please post the evidence....

I await you evidence....