http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmbGMWlL7w



right around the time of nuclear development. world war II

an important factor in the arrival of our extraterrestrial visitors.

This post has been edited by SOUL-DRIFTER: Oct 5 2008, 04:42 PM

In addition to that, a real radio report of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP185xsDJ4s

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This post has been edited by vyrtigo: Oct 5 2008, 01:15 PM

Interesting, but not much to get from it. It could be some kind of spy aircraft or a secret military exercise. Do you have any more info on it? official documents or anything like it?

This pre dates 1945 and the influx of Foos and saucers and Von Braun from Germany. However Nikola Tesla and John Jacob Astor may have worked on a dirigible in Oregon. This puts the now UFO on the west coast. Its possible the electrostatic shield repels or explodes shells harmlessly

Why the hell would i have any official documents?

the evidence is right there in front of your face. if you dont want to see it, thats not my problem.



I wonder sometimes why i am here...

I wouldn't be surprised if our wars got the attention of someone other than ourselves.But the UFO did seem to pick up after the nuclear testing,maybe that's when they got worried.Perhaps they have a vested interest in this planet we call home.

The reason we ask for ‘official documents’ vyrt, is so we can get to the truth.
Unlike some folks who are interested in the UFO subject, but refuse to listen to evidence contrary to their own beliefs, many of us here are seeking ‘solid evidence’.

A simple request by an AU member for you to show us some official documents should not be discarded with a remark like “Why the hell would i have any official documents?”

Unless one is trying to promote their own agenda and refuses to seek out the truth of the matter.

Below is an official document prepared by the Office of Air Force History regarding the incident infamously known as: The Battle of Los Angeles: The Army Air Forces (history) in World War II, prepared under the editorship of Wesley Frank Craven, James Lea Cate. v.1, pp. 277-286, Washington, D.C. : Office of Air Force History : For sale by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. G.P.O., 1983 ~rore

“The Battle of Los Angeles”

During the night of 24/25 February 1942, unidentified objects caused a succession of alerts in southern California. On the 24th, a warning issued by naval intelligence indicated that an attack could be expected within the next ten hours. That evening a large number of flares and blinking lights were reported from the vicinity of defense plants. An alert called at 1918 [7:18 p.m., Pacific time] was lifted at 2223, and the tension temporarily relaxed. But early in the morning of the 25th renewed activity began. Radars picked up an unidentified target 120 miles west of Los Angeles. Antiaircraft batteries were alerted at 0215 and were put on Green Alert—ready to fire—a few minutes later. The AAF kept its pursuit planes on the ground, preferring to await indications of the scale and direction of any attack before committing its limited fighter force. Radars tracked the approaching target to within a few miles of the coast, and at 0221 the regional controller ordered a blackout. Thereafter the information center was flooded with reports of “enemy planes, ” even though the mysterious object tracked in from sea seems to have vanished. At 0243, planes were reported near Long Beach, and a few minutes later a coast artillery colonel spotted “about 25 planes at 12,000 feet” over Los Angeles. At 0306 a balloon carrying a red flare was seen over Santa Monica and four batteries of anti-aircraft artillery opened fire, whereupon “the air over Los Angeles erupted like a volcano.” From this point on reports were hopelessly at variance.

Probably much of the confusion came from the fact that anti-aircraft shell bursts, caught by the searchlights, were themselves mistaken for enemy planes. In any case, the next three hours produced some of the most imaginative reporting of the war: “swarms” of planes (or, sometimes, balloons) of all possible sizes, numbering from one to several hundred, traveling at altitudes which ranged from a few thousand feet to more than 20,000 and flying at speeds which were said to have varied from “very slow” to over 200 miles per hour, were observed to parade across the skies. These mysterious forces dropped no bombs and, despite the fact that 1,440 rounds of anti-aircraft ammunition were directed against them, suffered no losses. There were reports, to be sure, that four enemy planes had been shot down, and one was supposed to have landed in flames at a Hollywood intersection…
Lots More @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los...r_Force_History

This post has been edited by rorechof: Oct 6 2008, 07:17 AM

Here is a link to an official document on it. It is from George C. Marshall to Franklin D. Roosevelt.

http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/marsh...r-march1942.pdf

The document on the link you provided SD has not been verified as being a legit ‘official document‘.

One of the inconsistencies being that the IPU heading at the top of the page was typed in by a typewriter of a different kind than the one that was used to type the ensuing message.

However… There is a verifiable memorandum sent by Marshall to Roosevelt dated February 26, 1942, the day after the incident.

“In 1974, due to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, a memorandum regarding the incident was released.
“Marshall wrote that the "Air Raid" incident was due to "unidentified airplanes, other than American Army or Navy planes [which] were probably sighted over Los Angeles [and moved from] 'very slow' to as much as 200 mph and from elevations of 9000 to 18,000 feet."

Follow the below link and Scroll down about 1/2 of the page to view the memo. ~rore
http://www.militarymuseum.org/BattleofLA.html

This post has been edited by rorechof: Oct 6 2008, 08:58 AM

rore...that is good information....thanks....I think the link SD provided has some good information as well.

However, we have to bear in mind the times....Santa Barbara had been shelled by a Japanese submarine 2 nights before, the country was still in turmoil as it wasn't even 3 months after Pearl Harbor and radar was still in its infancy so it could have had problems that evening.

Due to the nerves and the fears that we were losing the war......because this was even before the Doolittle raid and the Battle of Midway.....to me it is possible they were shooting at nothing.

But then macdaddy could be right and we got ETs attention....

Thanks Rore.



I have to agree, it makes more sense then the notion of a UFO doing it.
If it was a UFO, it seems weird to me that they would "show themself" in such a manner. Unless their agenda was to confuse and scare people.

Think about that, Rore.
Ordinary planes and over 1400 rounds couldn't down a single one!
You mean that does not sound odd to you!

SD posts: Think about that, Rore. Ordinary planes and over 1400 rounds couldn't down a single one! You mean that does not sound odd to you!
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If there were no ‘planes’ to shoot down, then no… It doesn’t sound odd to me. There are no radar reports that these objects were hit or tried to evade the shelling.

And we know there were balloons up that night.

Apparently, after the anti-aircraft barrage, there was no reason to believe the objects spotted were enough of a threat to send up interceptors to engage the ‘bogies’. That in itself is telling imho… ~rore

Rore, balloons aren't bullet proof either.

One thing I think that should be taken into account is the experience of the radar crews, the spotters and the anti-aircarft gun crews.

It is likely none or limited amounts had seen combat.....so many mistakes could have been made. With the fear and hysteria at a fever pitch....especially in the LA area. I think this more than any other time is when shadows came into play.

I wonder what they would have said after the war.

I agree that if there was nothing there to shoot at nothing would have been shot down. There were thousands of rounds expended at Pearl Harbor from anti-aircraft batteries and in the daylight they had only slightly better luck. This was also in the days prior to the proximatey fuse.

IMHO....I don't think there was anything there to hit.

You may be right Castle, but think about this.
If our bumbling military is not more capable than this, how could they be capable of constructing advanced secret aircrafts that look and perform as the classic UFO. So many seem to think that all or most are mere secret aircraft.
Yes this was in 1942, but we have found reasons for mistakes to explain away other more recent incidents as well.

They stand as a distinct contradiction...

SD....yes they do stand in contradiction.....and yes we have found reasons for recent mistakes....(I'm not trying to explain anything but this event)......I also won't debate that the military appeared to be shooting at ghosts that night, bumbling if you wish.....I'd prefer inexperience. I'm not sure this was a common occurance....but it did happen.

However, I do see a definate difference in a district defense system led and manned by inexperienced military personel.....and the work being done at the time by Kelly Johnson (and his engineers and scientists) at Palmdale....the predecessors of the Skunkworks that came up with the U2 and the other Blackbirds....and which also laid the groundworks for the stealth program.

Besides we've had some time to work out the next generation beyond the jet/stealth capabilities...I have no doubt we have some pretty spiffy air vehicles now, that are unknown to us.......but I was speaking of a very trying time......I think we got better.....we did win the war after all.

Remember the panic Orson Wells caused with his war of the worlds story on the radio.It only takes one person to cause a panic .

macdaddy....good point...panic does could ones judgment....especially if if it the first one sees a certain situation.