I have read many accounts of supposed alien abduction and one of the things that I find interesting is that they (the aliens) seem to target generations of the same family ie grandfather remembers little men visiting him in his youth, father (his son) remembers little men visiting him in his youth, son remembers being visited by little men. (I'm not being sexist, it works the same way with women, it's just an example.)

I was thinking the other day that the reason for this could be that the aliens are making subtle changes to the abductee's DNA which are then passed on genetically. Hence when the abductee has a child, they (the child) are then abducted to see if the changes have taken effect and then further subtle changes are made to their DNA, and so on and so on in a kind of dominoe effect.

What the outcome of this 'ongoing hybridization' could be is anyone's guess, but this theory sounds plausible to me.

Let me know if something similar has been posted before, otherwise your thoughts would be appreciated.

Yes I agree that that sounds like what is most likely going on. :alien:

Nothing about hybrids sounds plausible, except that they dont exist.

Can your civilization be traced back to your original blood lines?
Do you believe that you're in a fish bowl for study by superior beings?

If you're abduction thoughts were fact, then your high ranking government officials are not who they appear to be.

An abduction must have a purpose.

You can see how the human mind reacts to hostile situations, like death. Many of your people report seeing a light and talking with dead relitives.

Answer me this, How many of you dream of being naked in public, or falling?

Same synops at work.

No tunnel

No Light

No immediate reward for good christian living, your bible states that the dead know-NOT and furthermore the doctorine teaches that when you're dead, you stay dead until the day you're risen upon the secondcomming.

Seems you are begging for things to be ok. Is it soo hard to understand that death in its cold state is just that, DEAD. Or do you believe in energies of your soul surpassing the lifespan of living tissue?

Someone in here stated that nothing leaves earth, if it's smoke or gas it just dissapates and becomes part of.

Part in part.

Grill, I take it you are speaking about human/alien hybrids? You've surely heard of animal hybrids. There doesn't have to be much of a difference between species to allow hybridization.

If the changes are subtle what are the chances of them being picked up? Unless of course every human agrees to having their DNA analyzed and compared.

Yes I mean human/alien hybrids. Not animal hybrids like a mule or liger.

Of coarse there doesn't. I think it is better if the to things are similiar species. I could be wrong on that one.

That's why you don't see a half fish half ape running or swimming around. The differences are to great.
If you want to get into hybrids that are freaky talk about a hybrid between a chimp and a human. That is plausible. And some say it has been done. Ever hear of humanzi? (Im sure I spelled it wrong)

Now to make a hybrid with aliens....what makes you think they are so similiar to us.

Aliens would have to be similar to us. Why? Point by point:

1) Opposable thumbs are needed for working with tools.

2) Having more than two arms and two legs is inefficient, and would make a person's heart need to be bigger, which would cause a person to require more energy.

3) Standing upright leaves two appendages available for other tasks, such as working with tools.

4) Working with tools and continuously improving and innovating requires significant brain mass.


The cliché "tentacle" alien wouldn't work because of reason #2, and because a tentacle is not as efficient or effective as a jointed appendage.

The insectoid alien would not work because an exoskeleton becomes less and less effective as an organism grows (it's exponential), and a hive mind leaves little room for innovation or advancement. If we aren't talking about hive–minded insects, then they just aren't dexterious enough to work with complicated tools.

A repitilian alien actually is very conceivable. If the dinosaurs had not been wiped out, then it is very likely that some sort of reptilian creature that resembles us would be dominant today. Except it would be a warm blooded reptile, probably with only vestigial reptilian traits.




No, what the "greys" are depicted as are likely the way an advanced alien race would look. Big heads for added brain mass, big eyes because sight is their most important sense (as is ours), small, almost vestigial looking mouths, ears, and noses (because those senses have been replaced with heightened sight, and a highly advanced brain would utilize telepathy—something we're only beginning to delve into), a physically weak, small body (because brain is better than brawn, and a large brain needs a larger supply of blood and oxygen).

Actually, I wouldn't be all that surprised if these "ETs" turned out to be very terrestrial... Just a couple million years into the future.

Hodge you forgot to mention the plant aliens, the aliens made from dirt, the aliens made from shit, the aliens made from platinum, the Giant aliens, the tiny aliens, the fat aliens, the skinny aliens, the aliens with no head, the aliens with 100 heads, the alien with no dick, the alien with a dick..............ect.

You don't know what kinds of aliens there are. Like I said before it could only be a micro-organism.

An advanced alien species would be subject to certain rules. Go take a biology course before you try to discount what I say.


And don't tell me that you already did, but just slept through it.

No I haven't taken biology. How do you know an alien's biology.

And I didn't actually sleep through psychology. I more or less was just day dreaming.

Did you get this from that site you called "a crack pot site." www.geocities.com/southbeach/6611/

OkOK OK>> and ok.

Hello folks, Hodge, Gold .....

Lets hope things are the same, here and there about the universe. Someone from afar would be seeded with the same dirty comets, life giving amino acids and the carbon and organics abound in the meteors that bombard planets.
100 some odd tons of this dust layers earth daily.. Your lunch came from it!

New types of species spawns from the type of "dirty ice" that is carried your way. Also Flu's
(new fish species has currently been made public)
DO YOU THINK for one minnute that Hydrogen-Sulphide is not a preferred oxygen source? Life thrives upon it.

Earth could be compaired to an watered down version of life. Just look at your ferns from the Triassic age and compare them to your current variety.

The only thing different from your oxygen and other cultures or species is the Photo synthisys value of your sun. .

OH, one other thing when you think of mars and your current age amoungst the solarsystem.......................... Earth was as red as mars, eons eons ago..........

YHou see, The fuckin thing is rusting!!! because of iron. The waste gas of previous life on mars was absorbed in the oceans, and the already iron presence was turned into IRon Oxide.....

ORE!!!!

BTW.. There are no BUG LOOKING aliens, or the gobular headed pyrated anal pectates, the only difference between a species is the gravity and seasons they grew up with.

DAMNIT, IT'S ALL THE SAME.

Lets take a step further, and you will need to do your own research.

Fact:

Amino Acids, the same ones present upon some meteors, have shown that during an impact test equal to an earth meteor impact, has shown these clear acids turning into a brown heavy liquid.

NOw.. whodathought?

Grill, for life as we know it, a planet has to conform to certain rules. If life were to begin on a planet similar to ours then it stands to reason that this life would conform to similar rules therefore similar physical form. Now nothing says that all planets were formed at the exact same time as each other around different stars. This means then that some forms of life would be more advanced and others less so, than us. What's to say that the more advanced, like 1000 years or so, would not have mastered interstellar travel and began exploring?

As Hodge says, they could just be beings from this planet in more advanced form, or us from the future having mastered time travel.

The big headed, big eyed, physically weak creatures described in most abduction scenarios are very similar to what we'll evolve into millions of years from now.

They dont exist because he says so, SM

i mean, come on... NEW GUY SAYS SO!

What further proof do we need?

We should all go home and rest safe and secure in our little box minds, nothing is ever grey, the world is black and white.

Now on to the serious.

As far as physical structure of aliens goes.. you are talking about a civilisation that seems to be hundreds, even thousands of years ahead of us. Our laws of genetics cannot be shouted, because what we have learnt is only the tip of the iceberg of what there is to know.

Their technology is so advanced as to appear improbable to our limited grasp on science and technology, so you cannot claim 'we cant do that it doenst work for us!', you are talking about so much advancement that they can apparently defeat the light speed barrier. If you ant to stay on this site Grill, you have to be able to think outside the box, thats what this site is for, if you have come to try and discredit without reasonable grasp on the subject at hand, then you might as well not try, ive seen your kind come and go here with no success. However, if you wish to be a reasonable sceptic then you had better start researching.

You cannot discredit scientific theories without a firm grasp on science, or the relevant subject. Same goes for this subject, without some grounding (and no, watching men in black does not count) then its better to start learning.

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.... damnit. I cant be bothered writing that all out again, 20 minutes worth.. and i lost inspiration to do it again.

I was just thinking, say the ET's can do above light speed etc.... they have more than likely advanced their biotech to a level where they can predetermine their physical if not mental attributes, maybe we are only seeing part of the species, the ones made for space travel.

Agreed, or something that can replicate it.



Untrue. Evolution has shown us that it is not onlye the 'most efficient organmnisms' that succeed. Humans are VERY inneficient, lose far too much heat energy throguh their limited protection to the elements, and are very wasteful on energy and nutrition, have natural defenses that are bad, humans skin is almost useless for protection and the retaining of heat, etc.

An intelligent alien might be just as inneficient, but its the brain that counts, not the body. The mind works past the natural inefficiencies.




Indeed it does, but that does not nessacarily mean that a species cannot evolve that merely stands up.



yes.



The elephants trunk is the second most dexterous appendage on earth. They have in fact shown considerable intelligence too, who knows, maybe if humans werent around they might have goten somewhere with some more evolution?



Says who?

I agree, a large bodied insectoud alien cannot evolve on earth, there simply isnt enough of the matierials to make chitin in the natural environment close enoguh together. But that does mot mean there might be on a planet other than Earth.

And who knows, they might become more dexterous throguh evolution. Many insects show incredible dexterity and care in hives. If there were enoguh base matierials in the environment, i would not bet against an insectoid race. With opposable thumbs, or the equivelent, and mindpower, i wdefinately do think that an insectoid form of life would be feasable. In fact many sightings of an insectoid race have been reported, some by very credible witnesses. Thats just off the topic, but i dont agree that an insectoid alien race would not be feasable.

I hive mind.. i agree, but the combined brainpower might just be an advantage for an alien that is 'into that thing' it would also solve problems such as crime, etc. However we might shudder at the lack of individual thought, if the hive mind evolved to become focused on advancement, they would be a force to be reconed with.



I agree that a reptilian race is feasable, if not a certanity. On the thought, why would they lose reptilian traits? because star trek says so?

The tail would not interfere with them in any way, it would be an advantage as it would help them keep balance, while not interfering with their digital dexterity in any way. Scales are also a bonus.. scales are FAR more protective than bare skin.. humans have a disadvantage in this respect, they are vulnerable to insect bites, contact poisons, the burning sun causes skin cancer, the cold can cause frost burns very easily, etc. Scales are an evolutionary advantage. And in the same respect, a 'muzzle/snout' would not interfere either (as long as its not on the scale of a crocodile ) As long as the eyes are set forward to give 3D vision (as all predators have, including humans) it would not interfere at all, and might be an advantage in giving them ability to metabolise food much more easily and efficiently, humans are very wasteful in energy in the consumption of food, as pointed out in point in 2 by yourself. A reptiles claws, thoguh unnessacary in digital dexterity, would be a definate bonus in the crafting of tools and the maintainance of gadgets.

I am just trying to show you the perspective away from the Star Trek mindset.. they had to explain their low budget in the early seasons, and made up some junk about 'the Q making everything humanlike'. The fact is, on an alien world, i would not be suprised to see anything. Star Stek tries to show that humans are 'superior' and this is a lie that has been fostered by humans, frankly, humanity tries to see itself and its structure as superior to everything, which it is not, and i am not ashamed to say that.




to be honest, i shudder to think of that. An advanced mind should have an appreciation of beauty, and they resemble everything that is not pretty in nature.

The underdeveloped ears and nose is an evolutionary drawback: the use of ALL senses is what would be perfect/superior.

Just because a strong mind is strong does not mean that the mind would not see the benefit of a stronger body. The combination of both is what would make a 'perfect' creature, and as it stands, humans dont use most of their own brainpower.

Who said the alien planet is similar to ours?


Hey, thats Mr. new guy to you.


I never said it was impossible for hybrids, but in my opinion I dont think it is likely. I don't see why advanced aliens (if there is any) would want to mix there genes with the likes of us. Any reason you give as to why they would is pure speculation.

It was just a gentle reminder that on a forum like this, its not the thing to merely say 'thats not true' or 'that doesnt exist' without giving a reasonable reason, you are always giving your opinion. Just saying 'no thats not true' or whatever, is spamming or trolling.

On a forum like this, those with open minds debate on things, it is the purpose of the forum, and if you are merely here to say 'no' then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. However, reasonable skeptics are always welcome.