The Now and Change

[Dingo]

Kway:
I never said there's anything wrong with how people live or what they find comfortable. Though I see it as a problem that change is not searched for while society literally decays around us... I can accept things are the way they are, people are the way they are, and I am not in a position of stressing over it, I'm not here to dictate how people should or shouldn't be, my message is that there can be something much better, and because of how we have been brought up we're not looking for that.

Uh? I don't remember saying anything about what you said when I replied to Dundee's post. All I did was comment and give my thoughts on a post he did so not sure why you have a need to turn that into something about what you said...

rore:
You know, there are DOZENS of People who have chosen this path and left a positive influence on the World...

They sure have... nothing new there eh...

However, sitting on your bum tapping away at a computer spouting on about it and doing nothing 'out there' isn't amongst one of the ways to achieve this...

Become an Armchair World Problem Solver and solve all the world's problems without having to move away from your keyboard... I reckon internet forums must have been 'invented' especially for that... So this means I lose?

Dingo
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[nivek]

Become an Armchair World Problem Solver and solve all the world's problems without having to move away from your keyboard...

Dingo
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In my opinion you have described this thread perfectly...

[OLP]

my experience tells me that there are peope who talk about change and people who practically work on the changing process. it takes great courage to talk about this, i have met a whole lot of people in my life who had their hearts at the right place but did nothing but talk. they simply waited for the world to change. i am in no position to judge you knway i don´t know about what you personally do to change this world. put your gifts into action and you are working on the change.

there are a lot of scientists needed right now especially engineers for the green change. in 2010 there was a gap of 120.000 engineers in germany alone. engine building, electrical engineering etc. nowhere to be find these days. not enough graduates at the moment. and it is getting worse.
so if you really want to change this world educate yourself and work even if it takes to live in a different country.
i´ll have 60 hour per week of studying for the next 5 years working hard to become an engineer in the field of energy technologies, trying to support the green movement this way. i am living of 600 € right now with my apartments costs of 350 € alone. this is all that i can give to benefit to this world. peace

[Kway]

As I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone living within what they find comfortable and being content with that, thus being unwilling, as in not having a desire, to make changes to live up to high ideals..

I much prefer to be one of those constipated people who live in the Here and Now and accept that life is what it is and that people are who they are. It's pretty pointless breaking out in a sweat striving for some sort of hypothetical ideal of how people should or shouldn't be...

That's like sending someone a postcard with a picture of the Earth and then on the back of it writing,

'Wish you were here'...


Dingo
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Uh? I don't remember saying anything about what you said when I replied to Dundee's post. All I did was comment and give my thoughts on a post he did so not sure why you have a need to turn that into something about what you said...

However, sitting on your bum tapping away at a computer spouting on about it and doing nothing 'out there' isn't amongst one of the ways to achieve this...

Become an Armchair World Problem Solver and solve all the world's problems without having to move away from your keyboard... I reckon internet forums must have been 'invented' especially for that... So this means I lose?

Dingo
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Dingo, you replied to Dundee's post which was directly related to what I was saying, hence what you said was directly related to what I was saying. Am I not allowed an opinion on what you say whether you direct it at me or not?

Now do you think that responding to Rorechof means I can't reply to this?

So communicating with people is ineffective when it concerns how to develop progress in society, yep, because all the people in the past never got information from people and sources around them which helped and inspired them to do what they done.

FYI Nivek, I didn't create this thread to talk about revolutionising the world, I made it to inform about how change works for anyone who was interested, so please take your ego out of my threads I'm getting tired of you talking crap because you don't like what I'm saying, you have nothing constructive to bring.

Dingo, yes actually, there are armchair world problem solvers, they are called "Anonymous", go search them
As far as this applies to me, I've just turned 20 years old and have my own life to sort out before I can actively start working on the world.
I still don't know exactly what actions to take, that's why "spouting" about it is helpful...

[Dingo]

Kway:
Dingo, you replied to Dundee's post which was directly related to what I was saying, hence what you said was directly related to what I was saying. Am I not allowed an opinion on what you say whether you direct it at me or not?

None said or implied you weren't allowed an opinion did they? But like I said, my reply had nothing to do with what you had said, but was a direct response to a specific point Dundee made... Why you turned my reply around to make it sound as if it was directed at something you had said is what is a puzzle...

Meaning, you then made a reply to me starting with... I never said there's anything wrong with so I posted back saying (I'll rephrase it) that I never said that you had said there was anything wrong, and that what I said to Dundee wasn't about anything you had said... it wasn't about you... Why, is that a problem to you?

So communicating with people is ineffective when it concerns how to develop progress in society, yep, because all the people in the past never got information from people and sources around them which helped and inspired them to do what they done.

I don't think that and so am curious as to why you would think or consider the idea that communicating would be ineffectual where it concerns how to develop progress in society?

As far as this applies to me, I've just turned 20 years old and have my own life to sort out before I can actively start working on the world.
I still don't know exactly what actions to take, that's why "spouting" about it is helpful...

Maybe one day you might find ways to start working actively in the world, only you know that about yourself.... But in the meantime, many people have already started to find their ways even if they may seem trite when in comparison to those who have made great changes in specific world systems, like Ghandi for instance... Every person who studies or works or helps someone is making an active step towards helping the world be a better place for others...

Regardless if they are aware of this... but the building cleaner who cleans offices and scrubs toilets (even though it is for monetary gain so they can have a better life) so that the building is clean and comfortable for others when they come to work the next day is also actively working on the world being a better enviroment for others to be in...

Dingo
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[Kway]

Dingo; you asked why I turned your post into something about what I said,

I don't remember saying anything about what you said when I replied to Dundee's post. All I did was comment and give my thoughts on a post he did so not sure why you have a need to turn that into something about what you said...

Your thoughts were in direct relation to what I was saying, as his point, which you responded to, was a response of my points. So in a sense your post was an extension of Dundee's post, the point he was bringing up was directed towards me and you posted your thoughts as a continuation of that, you may not of had the intention of referring to me but inadvertently did.

None said or implied you weren't allowed an opinion did they? But like I said, my reply had nothing to do with what you had said, but was a direct response to a specific point Dundee made... Why you turned my reply around to make it sound as if it was directed at something you had said is what is a puzzle...

Meaning, you then made a reply to me starting with... I never said there's anything wrong with so I posted back saying (I'll rephrase it) that I never said that you had said there was anything wrong, and that what I said to Dundee wasn't about anything you had said... it wasn't about you... Why, is that a problem to you?

I can see that what you said was points directly related to Dundee's points.. And that my response in defence was needless, in saying "I never said..." etc. however, afterwards I made points which were related to your opinions, my post wasn't all me turning your post into something about me which wasn't, I just took some things out of a wrong context..

So communicating with people is ineffective when it concerns how to develop progress in society, yep, because all the people in the past never got information from people and sources around them which helped and inspired them to do what they done.

I don't think that and so am curious as to why you would think or consider the idea that communicating would be ineffectual where it concerns how to develop progress in society?

Because you said:

However, sitting on your bum tapping away at a computer spouting on about it and doing nothing 'out there' isn't amongst one of the ways to achieve this...

Because in sitting at my computer doing 'nothing out there' - I am communicating. And that would indicate not being amongst one of the ways to "achieve this"?

Maybe one day you might find ways to start working actively in the world, only you know that about yourself.... But in the meantime, many people have already started to find their ways even if they may seem trite when in comparison to those who have made great changes in specific world systems, like Ghandi for instance... Every person who studies or works or helps someone is making an active step towards helping the world be a better place for others...

Regardless if they are aware of this... but the building cleaner who cleans offices and scrubs toilets (even though it is for monetary gain so they can have a better life) so that the building is clean and comfortable for others when they come to work the next day is also actively working on the world being a better enviroment for others to be in...

Thanks for the perspective

[Dundee]

As I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone living within what they find comfortable and being content with that, thus being unwilling, as in not having a desire, to make changes to live up to high ideals..

I much prefer to be one of those constipated people who live in the Here and Now and accept that life is what it is and that people are who they are. It's pretty pointless breaking out in a sweat striving for some sort of hypothetical ideal of how people should or shouldn't be...

That's like sending someone a postcard with a picture of the Earth and then on the back of it writing,

'Wish you were here'...


Dingo
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It wasn't a criticism, I thought that my comment regarding an unwillingness to change implied a measure of contentment with ones lot in life. Much like me I guess. I wasn't meaning to suggest those who don't make change are lazy, complacent or otherwise, just content
Personally I think the world is a far better place now than it ever has been. Far from perfect I agree, but much better. Medicines, technology, standards of living are all better now than in the past. I have never subscribed to the doomsayers opinions who constantly paint a black picture of our world.

[Dingo]

It wasn't a criticism, I thought that my comment regarding an unwillingness to change implied a measure of contentment with ones lot in life. Much like me I guess. I wasn't meaning to suggest those who don't make change are lazy, complacent or otherwise, just content
Personally I think the world is a far better place now than it ever has been. Far from perfect I agree, but much better. Medicines, technology, standards of living are all better now than in the past. I have never subscribed to the doomsayers opinions who constantly paint a black picture of our world.

I realise it wasn't critism, I totally agreed with what you said... ... my comment was more in the vein of extending on what you said as in it was just another perspective on your comment...

Again I agree with you, I reckon the world is a better place today for the very reasons you cite than what I have read about of the historic past... Hopefully as things progress even more, future generations will be even better off than many of us... Quite frankly, I wouldn't want to have gone through some of the crap my grandparents went through...

Though we do go through our own share of crap at times... but that's the human disposition... that'll never change much... To err is Human...

Dingo
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[Dundee]

I realise it wasn't critism, I totally agreed with what you said... ... my comment was more in the vein of extending on what you said as in it was just another perspective on your comment...

Again I agree with you, I reckon the world is a better place today for the very reasons you cite than what I have read about of the historic past... Hopefully as things progress even more, future generations will be even better off than many of us... Quite frankly, I wouldn't want to have gone through some of the crap my grandparents went through...

Though we do go through our own share of crap at times... but that's the human disposition... that'll never change much... To err is Human...

Dingo
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I just love it when the religious doorknockers arrive here, they start there doom and gloom and I hit them with the, I think the world is a great place routine and they don't know what to say.

[Dingo]

I just love it when the religious doorknockers arrive here, they start there doom and gloom and I hit them with the, I think the world is a great place routine and they don't know what to say.

Good one.... I say similar...

Never forgot one time when they came to the door and said... isn't it terrible that we all have to die?

My reply was along the lines of... imagine the world today if noone died... We'd all be packed in like sardines getting older and more feeble and bedridden with no room left for you bed for you to lie on...

Dingo
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