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post Mar 17 2008, 03:39 PM
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Somebody vote for it in our free and democratic world,because when I look at record of majority of this countries I am worry about human beings future?
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post Mar 17 2008, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (gilan69 @ Mar 17 2008, 09:29 PM) *
Somebody vote for it in our free and democratic world,because when I look at record of majority of this countries I am worry about human beings future?


g69.....I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

No one gave countries like china, Russia, England and the US among others the right.

They developed it on their own or perhaps with the help of others.....and each nuclear power had their own reason for building it.
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post Mar 17 2008, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (Castle-Bravo354 @ Mar 17 2008, 06:39 PM) *
g69.....I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

No one gave countries like china, Russia, England and the US among others the right.

They developed it on their own or perhaps with the help of others.....and each nuclear power had their own reason for building it.

in media is a lot promotins about bad and good nations.I look at record Iran ,Iraq and I can 't belivied countries with record like USA,Russia,China etc.have right to have mass destruction weapons,this is record full of blood ,abuse,suppourting dictatorships .I don't see in this countries one wchich has right to have nuclear weapons,it's like tool too keep others in slavery with more or less autonome,.Do citizens of countries have right to be worry about,after this what this countries done to others,is un not suppoustu control laboratories all of them,I wonder what kind of chemical,or biological sheet they created,I think in free world goverments of this countries won't have problems with international inspectors.
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post Mar 17 2008, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (gilan69 @ Mar 17 2008, 07:01 PM) *
in media is a lot promotins about bad and good nations.I look at record Iran ,Iraq and I can 't belivied countries with record like USA,Russia,China etc.have right to have mass destruction weapons,this is record full of blood ,abuse,suppourting dictatorships .I don't see in this countries one wchich has right to have nuclear weapons,it's like tool too keep others in slavery with more or less autonome,.Do citizens of countries have right to be worry about,after this what this countries done to others,is un not suppoustu control laboratories all of them,I wonder what kind of chemical,or biological sheet they created,I think in free world goverments of this countries won't have problems with international inspectors.

I would like to know what kind of criteria are used for everyon,for how long your record must be good ,because if few is saying something doesn't make them right.In today un one country can veto all others ,how ypou would feel being citizen of africa,south america or many others,what is it.Who is the one running his mouth about free world and democracy,anyone listen still to him except his wife.
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It is only natural that the richest countries and the countries with the most resources are going to have the biggest and most dangerous weapons, including nuclear, biological, chemical etc..
It is not a vote or something that the world must decide on, it is just natural progress in the kind of world we live in. It doesn't make them right, but they are as they are.
We can only hope that the societies of the world will someday work together as a one people-one benevolent government, but I do not see that occuring anytime soon....unfortunately. We have a long ways to go to get to that point.


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post Mar 18 2008, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Mar 17 2008, 07:19 PM) *
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It is only natural that the richest countries and the countries with the most resources are going to have the biggest and most dangerous weapons, including nuclear, biological, chemical etc..
It is not a vote or something that the world must decide on, it is just natural progress in the kind of world we live in. It doesn't make them right, but they are as they are.
We can only hope that the societies of the world will someday work together as a one people-one benevolent government, but I do not see that occuring anytime soon....unfortunately. We have a long ways to go to get to that point.

I think abond to work togethger in short peroid of time we out,biggest destruction in this world came always from most advanced and developed nations aand this doesn't make me optimistic for future with power of destruction wchich we have today .You know what is funny in the next "great nation" on Earth,when I look at last campaign the best are scared like sheet to compete with others.Is nothing else like slavery system keep others weak,don't let eduacate,without mommy(boders) and Dady(army) they would see very fast they not better and stronger,scared to see a truth.If you really the best you do not need protection ,you wont have problem to survive in real free world,they scared to be free,shame on you babies.
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post Mar 18 2008, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Mar 17 2008, 07:19 PM) *
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It is only natural that the richest countries and the countries with the most resources are going to have the biggest and most dangerous weapons, including nuclear, biological, chemical etc..
It is not a vote or something that the world must decide on, it is just natural progress in the kind of world we live in. It doesn't make them right, but they are as they are.
We can only hope that the societies of the world will someday work together as a one people-one benevolent government, but I do not see that occuring anytime soon....unfortunately. We have a long ways to go to get to that point.

You saying slavery is natural,so why so many this speaches about free world and democrecy,why this guys have no balls to say a truth ,you really think everyone are blind.Say straith we are the once who are running the party.What for thisUN totalitary system under democratic slogan,what for this lies,evrything must look good no matter what inside?
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post Mar 18 2008, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Mar 18 2008, 11:20 AM) *
"But man is a prisoner within himself. Walled in by his own ignorances."

When we can find peace within ourselves so can we find it outside.

you one milion percent right and thet's when we suppoustu began to looking for in ourself,that;s where real change began.We can do it ,It's no easy but harder to get something you enjoy more latter if you makeit of course.
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post Mar 19 2008, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE (SOUL-DRIFTER @ Mar 17 2008, 11:19 PM) *
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It is only natural that the richest countries and the countries with the most resources are going to have the biggest and most dangerous weapons, including nuclear, biological, chemical etc..
It is not a vote or something that the world must decide on, it is just natural progress in the kind of world we live in. It doesn't make them right, but they are as they are.
We can only hope that the societies of the world will someday work together as a one people-one benevolent government, but I do not see that occuring anytime soon....unfortunately. We have a long ways to go to get to that point.


SD....I agree......its just unfortunate that chemical and biological weapons are easier weapons of mass destruction to produce.
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post Aug 9 2008, 02:50 AM
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anyone remember that interview with iranien prez. mahmoud amadinejad?

didnt he say something like

"Nuclear weapons are so 20th century"

makes me wonder what better technology he has...
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post Aug 9 2008, 04:36 PM
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I'll answer the question of "Who gave Russia, USA, and other countries the rights to nuclear weapons?" with a better question: Who has the rights to take away them? You say we shouldn't have nuclear weapons in nations that have spilled blood a lot of their history, but our nations haven't used nuclear weapons other than two times in 60 years. Why hasn't there been a bombing? Because despite our hatred of one another, we know that nuclear weapons aren't something to mess with because we are used to war.

There are nations that don't have nuclear weapons that'd nuke people right away if they had them. But since they don't have as long of a history with blood-shed, it's alright?

The way I see it, nuclear arms are needed. Why? Because, take away a country's nukes because of any reason, a country with nukes that hates that country might nuke that country without fear of getting nuked back.

The real question in this question of nuclear arms being given the rights to me is "Who has the rights to take them away? The Iranians? The Americans? The Russians or is it Iraq?"

So far, the only nuclear bombings in history were on Japan, and they actually saved lives. You drop a nuke and a nation knows you have plenty more, it'll surrender right away.
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QUOTE (Mr. E @ Aug 9 2008, 06:36 PM) *
I'll answer the question of "Who gave Russia, USA, and other countries the rights to nuclear weapons?" with a better question: Who has the rights to take away them? You say we shouldn't have nuclear weapons in nations that have spilled blood a lot of their history, but our nations haven't used nuclear weapons other than two times in 60 years. Why hasn't there been a bombing? Because despite our hatred of one another, we know that nuclear weapons aren't something to mess with because we are used to war.

There are nations that don't have nuclear weapons that'd nuke people right away if they had them. But since they don't have as long of a history with blood-shed, it's alright?

The way I see it, nuclear arms are needed. Why? Because, take away a country's nukes because of any reason, a country with nukes that hates that country might nuke that country without fear of getting nuked back.

The real question in this question of nuclear arms being given the rights to me is "Who has the rights to take them away? The Iranians? The Americans? The Russians or is it Iraq?"

So far, the only nuclear bombings in history were on Japan, and they actually saved lives. You drop a nuke and a nation knows you have plenty more, it'll surrender right away.


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post Aug 10 2008, 08:31 PM
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Not scare tactics in a malicious way, but yes in the way of "peace through strength."

There are a lot, too many, frankly, of ingnorants that are jumping on the "hate America" bandwagon because it is in vogue right now. But there is absolutely no basis for it. The U.S. is NOT perfect, and never claimed to be. But your country is not perfect either, nor is any. But how easy to forget that and hate a nation because of their prosperity and power. Are Americans a little arrogant in the world? Certainly, but frankly, we earned that right. This nation has had a long-standing policy of coming to the aid of ANY nation that has ever asked it of us. This nation has spilled more of it's boys' blood DEFENDING other nations than any other nation-- EVER. The ungratefulness of the liberal commie leftists is staggering. In WWII, the world was pissed at us because we were so pacifist and uninvolved with the war in Europe. It was not until we were directly attacked (Pearl Harbor) that we got involved. And don't repeat that ignorant mantra that we 'provoked' Japan into attacking us because of our embargo against them. We had an embargo because they were invading and slaughtering 100s of 1000s of Chinese and other surrounding countries that were also asking for our help.

Japan was nuked only AFTER repeated demands for them to surrender. They swore to fight to the last man, woman and child. We didn't want their nation to be destroyed just as much as we didn't want ours to be. So we nuked them to end the war. And we didn't even nuke Tokyo, which would have been the most devastation thing to do. And when they surrendered we didn't keep nuking them. We spent 100s of millions of $$$$ rebuilding that country. We did the same for Germany. et. al.

Frankly, those who do this ignorant hate criticism of us are jealous or stupid. What a nice thing, instead of being part of the solution you are part of the problem. You brainwashed willingly. If your country is attacked do you mean to tell me you are just going to sit their and be invaded/conquered? If so then you are just a traitor and unworthy of any freedom. Again, the U.S. is not perfect, never claimed to be. We have our problems. But we try to do good whenever we can. This is also the most generous nation. We have given more of our money to the poor of the world than any other nation, ever. I challenge anyone to statistically prove otherwise. Ungrateful bastards. If the U.S. were really as bad as you claim, your country would already be a U.S. territory or it would be glowing in the dark. You better thank God we aren't like that. Wherever you sit tonight, you are probably reaping the benefits of something we have done for your country, yet you spew your hatred like a good little dog.

What gives the U.S. and her allies the right? Millions of their brave freedom-loving soldiers' spilled blood defending their nations and probably yours too. If you are in a nation that was attacked by us it's only because you deserved it, that'll teach you to mess with us or our friends.

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post Aug 11 2008, 02:09 AM
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i think the invention of weapons is pointless.

we should start inventing bigger shields, and smaller guns.


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QUOTE (vyrtigo @ Aug 11 2008, 09:09 AM) *
i think the invention of weapons is pointless.

we should start inventing bigger shields, and smaller guns.

if it wasn't for the Americans i would be speaking in german and wearing funny trousers.On a more serious note,the nuclear attack on japan shortened the war consideralby and saved more lives in the long run.HAIL THE US! hail.gif
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if it wasn't for the Americans i would be speaking in german and wearing funny trousers.On a more serious note,the nuclear attack on japan shortened the war consideralby and saved more lives in the long run.HAIL THE US! hail.gif


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which is proof that power can corrupt the best of us.



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QUOTE (gilan69 @ Mar 17 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Who give right to Russia ,USA and others to own nuclear weapons?

The right came as soon as we gained the ability to make them form scratch.
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QUOTE (vyrtigo @ Aug 11 2008, 08:09 AM) *
i think the invention of weapons is pointless.

we should start inventing bigger shields, and smaller guns.

"The beast defense is ALWAYS a good offense". The ability to deliver force and power is not evil. It is how you use it. Cars are very beneficial. But they can be used for war time too if need be. Tanks can really give you an advantage when military force is needed. The very word "force" means: the power to make something happen. That is all it means.

So it always falls back on the user of the force. What does he do with it? And it is really wise to strip the power to defend one's self? No it is not. Such people can not defend their own freedom nor have the power to do very much. The best answer is to make a people that don't need to use this kind of deadly force on each there.

In the end, a rocket is applied force. It happens to be the great grand child of the gun. Yet a rocket is our ticket to space.

Take away the guns without fixing the real problem, (people) and they will use kitchen knives and homemade bombs. So then what? No knives in kitchens? What if they start using pens and other pointed objects? It is an endless spiral if you never solve the real problem. Sure taking away guns will, for a short amount of time, reduce the number of people killed... by guns... but when they find something else to use... the problem returns....

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