I've read about it but am not sure where to draw the line.

Well, I hate to say just 'read', but that's what I honestly recommend. Lots of people have given lots of thoughts on this matter on various threads.

Read the 2012 megathread, the Camelot thread over in Conspiracies, and there are also one or two other 2012-Planet X threads.

I've stated MY opinions multiple times, and it's been my experience that people who believe in Nibiru/Planet X/2012 Doomsday do not want to hear my opinion ... or the facts I present for that matter. It's like some kind of cult in the way people believe in this with 'religious' devotion, rather than being willing to look at the facts.

The facts of the case, in a nutshell:
*Nibiru was a term used by Sumerians to refer to their Gods, to refer (in the opinion of some) to Jupiter, and so on. Some people theorize that they saw a comet. I have seen no evidence that suggests that they were ever referring to a distant 10th planet in our solar system.

*Planet X is a theoretically planet that was theorized in order to explain inconsistencies in our understanding of anomalies in the orbit of Neptune. These anomalies have since been explained since we discovered errors in the calculation of Neptune's mass.

The Kuiper Belt definitely contains planet-like bodies. The Oort Cloud MAY contain planets, or even gas giants, dark dwarf-stars, etc.

The myth that Planet X will make frequent passes near the Earth, despite having an orbit on the far rim of the solar system, is impossible. It's simple physics. The difference in the aphelion (where the Planet is farthest from the sun) and the perihelion (where it is closest) would be unreasonably large.

*Nephilim are not my area of expertise, so I can't say much except that they are an early people described in the Tanakh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh)

and that's all I can say because I'm honestly looking it up in wiki so I might suggest you do the same.

Nibiru – According to archaeological studies, it is the Akkadian name of the planet Jupiter full stop. The myth of Nibiru is not a Mesopotamian myth but a Sitchinian myth. In astronomy, there is not such a thing as a Planet X called ‘Nibiru’. It can’t be Sedna, as astronomy goes it is a transplutonian object.

The Nephilim – Again nothing related to Sumero-babylonian myths. The term relates with Judaism only. See for example:

Nephilim are beings who appear in the Hebrew Bible

Le mot nephilim est souvent rendu par géants


In a nutshell - Sitchinianism lives!

i thought it was the annunaki that came from nibiru.if it is actually there.

compare these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annuna

and these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunaki

also, try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

[quote name='xAmberxLeahx' date='Mar 1 2008, 10:15 PM' post='349294']

From his interpretation of some tablets sumere, Sitchin would have deduced that the ancient people medioriental was often visited by a race coming from a "wandering planet", whose orbit crossed that of our solar system every 3.600 years. The Sumeris called this planet Nibiru and the two races that Nephilim and Annunaki lived you. They would have been really them, according to the mild sumeris, to create the man with a complex intervention of genetic engineering. It now seems, that the forecasts of Sitchin, for a long time convinced that " Nibiru" coop to return, is partially confirmed by the Remote Viewerses.

From his interpretation of some tablets sumere, Sitchin would have deduced that the ancient people medioriental was often visited by a race coming from a "wandering planet", whose orbit crossed that of our solar system every 3.600 years. The Sumeris called this planet Nibiru and the two races that Nephilim and Annunaki lived you. They would have been really them, according to the mild sumeris, to create the man with a complex intervention of genetic engineering. It now seems, that the forecasts of Sitchin, for a long time convinced that " Nibiru" coop to return, is partially confirmed by the Remote Viewerses.

ancient sumerian (southern iraq/babylonia) texts.
the gods came from 'Nibiru'....so they say.

gods ment beings who created the first humans, who one 'goddess' liked a lot and wished to preserve...nice. (i think it was Inanna who they then worshiped as a goddess of love - which is sweet...or depraved frankly; depends how you look at it)
this strange thing was done in a garden cultivated by the gods on earth until the disaster. EL was the chief who disliked the human creation...but the jews though he was worthy of following until they found the goddess Yahwah who chose them for a mission! ??

the greeks also have strange legends of old humanity and the uprising by the humans against servitude in the mines 'for the gods'.

later generations wondered how to understand these legends.

Interesting. Not familiar with that one. I like the part about Yahwah as a goddess. BTW, any sources where I could read more?

Apart form an explanation of what they are believed to be, there is not much more to go on. I have been wondering about this a little myself.

Some of these old Sumerian references have been read to say there is something to fear, but I think it is just a misunderstanding. You see it was just one person that came up with this from old Sumerian references. Mind you the references don't really say the world will end. All that talk was adopted after the Dooms Day interpretation.

The Sumerians had hints to rather advanced technology. Or so it seems, but rather then reading into them that these people knew all about what they were talking about, it is possible they lacked an adequate vocabulary in what they give us. Not to mention some of this is scattered peaces that may in fact only be completely disrelated fragments not ever intended to be put together.

For example, there is no discernible recognition of other star systems. In other words Planet X/Nibiru could in fact be in another star system but they either didn't know or have an adequate vocabulary. Of course that is under the assumption that it may be what is going on.

Another thing, it could be read another way, while the Sumerians did distinguish planets form other objects, what if the object was just large? Did they have a word for that? The words used that we are told lead to Dooms Day are acutely constructed is a way that they may be hinting that this "Planet X" enters this system form another, but in Sumerian, the word can also be a symbol of something rather than the thing itself. Like saying "The world came crashing down". I think we know that is not literal. So too could something FROM "Planet X" and not the planet itself.

There are wholes in all this, but some people are sure quick to fill them in with doom for us all.

i think all this stuff is only related to the people of those times not ours.i feel the same with the bible and the revelations.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077838/

There is some science support for a large body at an extreme orbit disturbing the comets orbit.

hehe we should have an INDEX on this forum hehe. I do agree you have to do some reading but my big suggestion would be to just go to youtube. Search for "planet X, Niburu" and you should find stuff. Honesty I think this whole Planet X shit is dumb cause if there was a "hidden" planet out there that was about to make it's way towards us in a certain year would be impossible. No one asks the big question...HOW WOULD THEY LIVE WITHOUT SUNLIGHT? They would be frozen if they were hidden out there. The only reason we earthlings are alive is because we are in what is known as the "Goldielocks Zone". We have just enough sun to sustain life whereas MARS for example is just out of the zone so the temperatures are freezing and cannot support life (unless you live under a freakin dome). The whole idea is silly and just flat out retarded. sorry to those who believe but yall needs some common sense dudes. I'm not saying a planet doesn't exsist, I'm just saying no life could possibly life on it, not even underground...no temperature that cold could even support electricity enough to warm anyone cause there is no source for the electricity. Does anyone wish to argue this? Cause if you do you'll have to prove they have a source of energy that's beyond us. Besides, if it was real scientists would have found a trace of it by now. The planet would look like a tiny star and since scientists have examined the handful of stars surrounding our solar system, each one specifically...well there's your answer, no hidden planet Yo!

SL

This post has been edited by sleepingladybug: Jun 22 2008, 06:59 PM

planet x revolves around a brown dwarf star that revolves around our sun .
most solar systems are binary solar systems and so is ours.

And why would we be unable to detect a brown dwarf in our own solar system? You think we wouldn't see the radiation output of a substellar brown dwarf?

we can and do see it comming this way read the news.

They are giving us a little info. at a time not to cause mass panic.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370843,00.html

Given that our Galaxy is around 100,000 light years across, and eaths twin could be anywhere in it, how exactly do you link this to the Niburu myth?

Mr X with all due respect, Dundee is right. They're not looking for Earth's twin in our own solar system. While it IS possible there are undiscovered Plutoids (new word, look it up) in the Kuiper Belt, there's no star there, and no earthlike planet.

Again: if Nibiru were on a direct course to earth like B'tchin Sitchin says, it would have to have an incredible disparity in aphelion and parahelion: something not possible under our current understanding of physics.

Likewise, how did this planet form? There's no way you could get a sizeable planet with such an orbit. Likewise, how do you a brown dwarf star too? Gravitation says it's impossible. If a brown dwarf were to travel across the solar system every couple thousand years, like Sitchin believes, we wouldn't have ANY planets left.

Kirin, to add to what you're saying - how would even an earth like planet in the Kuiper belt sustain life?