people are confused they wan't gov. to take care of them so they can turn their back and not worry about it the problem with this is you give those in gov power over you. If many many dumbass people in many countries (esp. america) want a succesful and benevolent gov. than they have to be actively engaged in gov and be educated and informed about whats going on. as a matter of fact you should not complain about any detrimental actions your country makes because you and your peers allowed it to happen.

Good point, most people want to reap all the benefits that a government can provide, but find it distasteful how these things are obtained. It is a bit like eating a hamburger. How many people would eat a hamburger if the beef was slaughtered, bled, cut and prepared in front of you. People prefer to think meat comes from a supermarket. Likewise, people like to think peace comes from ideals, not the practicalities of governing in a world like ours.

[quote name='Mandelasdiscple' date='Mar 20 2008, 10:39 PM' post='351652']
people are confused they wan't gov. to take care of them so they can turn their back and not worry about it the problem with this is you give those in gov power over you. If many many dumbass people in many countries (esp. america) want a succesful and benevolent gov. than they have to be actively engaged in gov and be educated and informed about whats going on. as a matter of fact you should not complain about any detrimental actions your country makes because you and your peers allowed it to happen.
[/quotewe don't chose our peers they are chosen for us.all gov. elections r rigged so there is no point in voting anyhow.and yes we have every right to complain.america is as dumbass as the rest of the world.

I am not confused.
I pay my share of taxes and actively go out and vote, damn right I expect those whom are paid with my tax money to get the job done!!

And yes I complain and have every right to.
A lot of the shit that is done is not something we allow to happen, its the horse's asses that will say anything to get into office!!
Its those dumbasses that screws it up for the rest of us!!!!

Couldn't agree more mate...

no offense but your vote doesn't count for shit and the taxes you pay obviously don't mean shit either because the government uses the money unwisely, the horse assess is every single damn one of them.