having seen a documentary on the subject of NDE's, i was stunned to find that some people experiences weren't exactly a nice vision to behold.some described what can only be described as 'Hell'.many of the experiences have similarities,but what do you think?

I saw that documentary as well. It really makes you wander though. Some said they prayed to be saved by god and the demons where attacking them and he was saved after the prayers. Can it really be that easy to escape from the clutches of hell and the demons that dwell there? I hope to never find out.

As I have always understood it, your experience of heaven or hell will depend on how clear your conscious is.
The ugly skeletons in your closet, may very well be the fuel for your hell like afterlife, when your time comes.
Those that wrestled away have actually wrestled free from their guilt.

If you hear Celine Dion singing, you're in Hell. Simple as that.

The brain releases DMT two different times in a persons lifetime. while in the dream phase, and while dying. For those that are aware of the effects of drugs with DMT in them, you would know that the "high" is greatly affected by the "mood" you are in. if you are in teh woods on a warm summer day, you will have a wonderful experience, but if you are stressed, or keep thinking about the problems you might have, you will have a bad experience.

And so, if you are having a near death experience while ina bad mood, the DMT that the brain releases will be affected by that and make you have "scary" and terrible hallucinations, while if you are in a good mood the DMT releases will make you have a nice and calm hallucination. it really is that simple.

There is no "hell" or "heaven" just hallucinations caused by the brain releasing DMT affected by the state of mind you are in.

This might be why you won't go to heaven if yo have a "sinful" life. because the "sins" make you have a troubled mind.

DMT may do as you say. But to suggest that this explains all NDEs is insane.

I believe some of these accounts.

In my mind, a person's vision (or their ability to have such a vision) depends on their own personal views of Heaven and Hell. It either be your sub-conscious working in a more negative way during a physically vulnerable time, OR it could be a warning from "their" higher power to stop a bad life they may be living.


It's all too wishy-washy, for me though.

I don't see why it can't.

When we know the brain releases DMT when in a NDE, (possible as some form of defence mechanism to avoid panic?) why is it then insane to think that this is what happens when people see angels, demons, heaven and hell?

Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases.

Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[ where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'teached', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings'. Those could be the same beings, that some of the ancient cultures that consumed DMT rich beverages, like Ayahuasca, considered their gods. Also, this leads to the idea that the alien abduction phenomenon could be produced by high levels of endogenous DMT in the human body, and that it might be a physiological condition that could pass genetically to the descendants of such people. Strassman noted though, that the experience might be highly influenced by the actual user's life, showing what the person needs, given their personal story of the moment, more than what is wanted, and also that the setting could play a partial role too.

it would be interesting to know if it is different in variuos cultural backgrounds.

Kind of off topic here, but can anyone remember the name of the young guy who was researching the dead sea scrolls? He was an expert in oriental history and language, he wrote a book about the influence of shrooms on the bible.

But can it explain how a NDE can tell a person about things that went on in the room while they were worked on? Or when they can accurately describe items on top of cabinets in the room that were not visible except from a ladder or if one was hovering overhead?
Information obtained while out of body seems to indicate that they are "indeed' out of their bodies. This has been demonstrated by Astral Projection & Remote Viewing as well.
Could it be that DMT is the bodies way of easing transition to one actually leaving ones body? Dunno

Short answer, no. But i do have a theory on that as well.
I assume that you are aware of sleep paralysis?

my sister once told me that she had been floating over her "sleeping" body once, this happens sometimes. It is when the brain wakes up, but the body still sleeps, sometimes it is experienced as someone sitting on your body holding you down, you can often also see the "entity" that is holding you down. While other times you will experience it as floating over your body.

So i suggest that NDE's can be explained by two things. DMT and a form of "sleep paralysis"

I THINK HELL IS THE PHISICAL WORLD WE LIVE IN, HELL IS WHAT I GO THREW IN LIFE. HEAVEN IS WHAT U MAKE IT, U WORK HARD FOR WHAT U WANT AND GET IT,BUT IN MY NEIBORHOOD THEY TELL US WE ALL HAVE TO DIE TO GO TO HEAVEN I DISAGREE
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I know there is a God. I believe that people with good hearts go to a good place - and I believe that those with bad hearts do not. Like SoulDrifter said, I guess it could depend on your conscience too. Majority of religions share the same concept - that there is a higher power/being.

I watched a video on YouTube that showed a couple men telling their stories about how they died on the table and experienced what hell was like. Some said it was pure absence from God while others claimed there was gnashing of teeth and flames all around with people screaming. One guy who passed saw his dead friend in hell, his friend told him to turn around and not come back because it was that bad.

I think the only way you'll know where you end up is when you die.
No one can be sure.

But again, it begs the answer, as to how some NDEs know of detailed information and conversations that went on while they are totally out or clinically dead? And another thing, it has been shown that Astral Projection can obtain information from far and remote locations. Sleep Paralysis and DMT certainly isn't supplying them with that information. So why is it so hard to think of some NDEs as a form of involuntary Astral Projection.
The existance of a soul would go a long way in explaining psychic abilities among other paranormal phenomena.

It does explain how they could know what was going on, since the brain is fully awake, so they would hear and see everything that happened in the room. Only the body stays asleep or "dead".

As for "it has been shown that Astral Projection can obtain information from far and remote locations"

I have a really hard time believing this. Was it a real scientist who investigated it? Or an accountant with a taste for paranormal?

That would suggest anything but an NDE. If you are clinically dead, how the heck can you're brain be fully aware? That is most contradictary, isn't it?



Really now.
There has been countless research done with astral projection and remote viewing over the decades. Universities have done many studies.
There have been countless programs detailing the many studies and by who.
Some of them are debateable some are quite convincing. The russian military and US military found it convincing enough.
Anyway. I will not bore you by going any further. I have been reading and following the subject(s) for 30 years+ and find the information compelling add to the fact I have had a genuine Astral Projection experience of my own that I described here some time ago.
For me there is no question.

DMTs role in dreaming and death experiences is speculation. That has not been proven, nor even concretely suggested by the research. At this point, it's a hypothesis rather than a theory.

Even if it were true, it doesn't necessarily mean that there is no heaven or hell. Perfume may smell like flowers, but it doesn't mean flowers don't exist.

I personally don't believe in Hell, and having had two near experiences of heaven, I have reason to believe that at least that place exists in some form or another.

is astral projection the same as lucid dreaming?

No, but many lucid dreams can be mistaken for an Astral experience.