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| Shangri-La found |
| Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER - 11-24-09 18:52 - 1 comments |
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Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to retire to. I'll just have to figure out how to move my Ya-te-veo & Duρak trees and pet Mongolian Death worm. Ole Footy, he can lend a hand. QUOTE Tucked beneath a mountain spur at a sharp bend of the Tsangpo River Gorge, where the cliff sides are only 75 yards apart and cast perpetual shadows, the place failed to show up even on satellite surveillance photographs of the area. http://www.atlantis.to/links/explorersfindelusiveshangri.htm
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| The Davis-Monthan AFB UFO Incident -1952 |
| Posted by karl 12 - 11-24-09 18:42 - 1 comments |
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Very interesting UFO incident over Davis Montham Air Force base in 1952 where two unknown objects flew alongside a B-36 bomber and were witnessed by the crew,an Air Intelligence Officer and an airman on the ground. The incident also involves a 'missing' report and another seemingly contrived USAF 'force fit' explanation. Case BriefingQUOTE Early in the 1952 UFO sighting wave two discs approached and paced a B-36 bomber in the vicinity of Davis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona. On May 1, 1952, Major Rudy Pestalozzi, a base intelligence officer, along with an airman, looked up as a B-36 flew overhead and saw two shiny discs overtake the bomber, slow to its speed and position themselves alongside.
The bomber crew, startled by the experience, made an unscheduled landing at the base and were interrogated at length by Major Pestalozzi, who happened to be the base UFO officer. Members of the flight crew had crowded into the starboard blister aft of the wing and looked down at a slight angle to see the closest disc, which was lens- or double-disc-shaped and about 20-25 feet in diameter. After about 20 seconds, the objects peeled off at an angle of 70-80 degrees from the flight path of the B-36 and sped away.
Major Pestalozzi sent a comprehensive report of the incident to Project Blue Book. Excerpt from Richard Dolan's book 'UFOs and the National Security State': QUOTE The first day of the month set the tone,involving a classic case near Davis-Montham Air Force base, later investigated by Dr James Mcdonald, in which an Air intelligence officer,a B-36 crew,and an airman witnessed two shiny,round objects overtake their plane. The objects slowed down to match the plane's speed and remained in formation with them for about twenty seconds. At that point they made a very sharp no radius turn away from the B-36, flew away a bit, then one of the objects stopped and hovered. Both objects were silent.
The bluebook team dismissed the case as 'aircraft' The case of the Missing report:QUOTE This case is a classic. The late Dr. James McDonald made a valiant attempt in get details from original witnesses after discovering that a major report, submitted to Blue Book by the UFO Officer (who was one of the witnesses!) at Davis-Monthan, was missing. The following letter from Dr. McDonald dated July 14, 1966, was sent to Major Quintanilla, Blue Book head: QUOTE Dear Major Quintanilla:
Following our second unsuccessful effort to locate in the Blue Book files any record of the B-36 incident at Davis-Monthan AFB, I have asked Maj. Postalozzi to put down in a letter to me an account of such details as he can still remember with confidence..
He recalls filing a rather thick report on this B-36 case, the thickest he ever filed on a UFO. It included not only his own observations and those of the B-36 crew which he personally interrogated, but also that of an airman who was standing beside him during most of the time of his own observation... QUOTE While standing on the front entrance steps of the Davis-Monthan Air Force Base Hospital, I observed the approach of two UFOs upon a B-36 flying on a general east-west heading directly over the base. The UFOs appeared, from the ground, to be round in shape and metallic in color. The objects approached the aircraft from the northeast at a speed about three or four times that of the aircraft.
The two objects appeared to be about the same size when first observed. One object appeared to gain altitude as it approached the aircraft because it seemed to grow smaller. It stationed itself, at the B-36 speed, just behind and to the port side of the B-36.
The objects were reported to be symmetrically convex top and bottom, about 10 or 12 feet thick from top to bottom at the middle and quite sharp at the edge. (The crew gave an appropriate figure in inches which I cannot remember.) The object was reported by the crew, as I remember, to be about 20 or 25 feet in diameter. (It fit rather snugly between spinners and elevator.)
Some of the air crew members reported seeing a pale band of red color about halfway between the top and the edge of the object. USAF explanation.The objects were 'aircraft'. Links:The case of the Missing reportDavis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona (5-1-1952)'UFOs and the National Security State'
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| KECKSBURG UFO revisited. |
| Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER - 11-24-09 18:08 - 1 comments |
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Here is the incident in videos... I say it was a crshed alien craft. You decide HST-UFO Files-Kecksburg UFO-1HST-UFO Files-Kecksburg UFO-2Invalid Video Link HST-UFO Files-Kecksburg UFO-3HST-UFO Files-Kecksburg UFO-4HST-UFO Files-Kecksburg UFO-5
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| Two smiley people. |
| Posted by Inikbukai - 11-24-09 08:28 - 2 comments |
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Basically, the aim of this game, is to write the name of two people on this forum, for what ever reason, you'd like to smile, and think/know they're smiling when you write their name  it's better if the reason is personal, even if that person doesn't know why you want them to smile I'll start: Muse, and TheHazard
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| Little gems from the Health Care Bill |
| Posted by cricket - 11-24-09 05:36 - 2 comments |
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ALL EXCERPTS FROM THE CURRENT HOUSE BILL ARE IMPORTANT, NOT JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THE ONE FROM PAGE 59?65 and 95?
Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan.
If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
This is a frightening piece of legislation. If this passes the U.S. officially enters into an "Orwellian" state. If I voiced my feelings on this, I'd get banned from this site. So I'll just say continue to call, e-mail, contact your Reps, and Senators constantly and tell them to vote against this bill.
What if I dont want a National Health ID card?
And this is why Obama, Pelosi, Waxman, et al wanted to rush Obamacare through congress before anybody had a chance to read it
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| Seen something 11pm - 1108pm by Sacramento, Ca |
| Posted by forevrbumpn - 11-24-09 03:01 - 0 comments |
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Okay, so Iam driving down hwy 113 that goes from hwy 80 to Main St in Woodland, short stretch about 12 miles. About the 6th mile towards Woodland, I notice a bright yellow star or something, sun yellow in color going the opposite direction down 113.
Bright enough that it caught my eye, it was monochrome- just one color, yellowish. I caught it in time to be parallel from me to it across the highway.
Now, I have no idea how far this was from me, but I pulled over, turned the lights off, and watched it coast.
It was slower than a plane, and made a twisting/morphing shape. It did seem to have a triangle lite up look to it. Possible similar to the guy in the thread with the star UFO's out east ( did not read that thread)
So, it was brightest while parallel to me, and it was not a plane with flashing lights, more like rotating light on each edge. While it passed me, I noticed it get dimmer, then brighter, eventually it started to flicker like a candle in a slight breeze
It died out, and lite back up again, and kept doing this until it completely vanished 3/4 the way down the horizon
This was bright, but not glowing enough to light the ground. I have 2 assumptions what it could have been.
1) UFO, not really alien, but nothing I have ever seen, or heard of- But who knows, I'am just a big skeptic
2) An asteroid, since there has been SO many fly by's, but if this was an asteroid as it really did look like, it was HUGE!
And if it was, is there a website that collects data, and shows it online to see what it was, and how far away from us?
It was right around the time frame of night where the sun would reflect off of something in space, but at 11pm, maybe further out than satellites, because those hit the sunlight around 9pm in winter right?
I watched this for 8 minutes, maybe as little as 6minutes 11pm- 1108 ish pm
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| NASA: No records found on 1965 Pa. UFO sighting |
| Posted by SOUL-DRIFTER - 11-23-09 18:28 - 9 comments |
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Remember the Kecksburg object? Funny, how NASA conviently never finds anything. QUOTE PITTSBURGH NASA said it can find no records mentioning an unidentified object that may have landed in western Pennsylvania nearly 44 years ago. http://pghtrib.com http://www.nasa.gov http://www.freedomofinfo.org The Coalition for Freedom of Information, a volunteer group which seeks to bring more credibility to the subject of UFOs through journalism and freedom of information quests, sued NASA in 2003 seeking information about the event in Kecksburg. The group's federal lawsuit, backed by the SyFy Channel cable network, was settled in October 2007 when NASA agreed to pay $50,000 in legal fees and search some of its records. But that nearly two-year search ended in August and yielded nothing, Leslie Kean, a New York-based freelance author and documentarian who directs the all-volunteer CFI, told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I still believe, from all the work and the research and everything, that something came down" from the sky, Kean said. "But what it was, I have no idea." NASA's press office didn't immediately return calls for comment Wednesday. Agency scientists have repeatedly denied any manmade craft landed or crashed, saying the landing area wasn't consistent with the known orbits of any satellites or other craft. Military officials said it was a meteor at the time. Advertisement Yet NASA spokesman David Steitz told The Associated Press for a 40th anniversary story that the object appeared to be a Russian satellite that re-entered the atmosphere and broke up. NASA experts studied fragments from the object, but records of what they found were lost in the 1990s, Steitz said in 2005. Steitz is on leave until next week, according to his voice mail. He didn't immediately return a call to a home phone listed in his name. Witnesses to the Dec. 9, 1965, event, about 30 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, described a "fireball" in the evening sky and a metallic, acorn-shaped object about 12 to 15 feet high and 8 to 12 feet in diameter that landed gently in the woods, according to media accounts at the time. Witnesses also reported seeing the object on a truck, covered with a tarp. They said military personnel cordoned off the site and threatened residents who tried to get near the site. A replica of the object, based on witness accounts, is still displayed atop the volunteer fire hall in Kecksburg, where local officials hold an annual UFO festival. Kean said NASA didn't search all its records, only those from three offices where mentions of the Kecksburg incident were most likely. It's possible NASA records exist in another office, have been lost or are classified, she said. But if classified records exist, NASA is supposed to say so under federal freedom of information regulations, and that hasn't happened, Kean said. She dismisses the NASA spokesman's comments that the object was a Russian satellite. "We wouldn't be in a lawsuit if after all these years their PR guy could just tell us that's what it was," she said. "For this guy to say it was a Russian satellite when NASA's own expert says it couldn't possibly be, that strikes me as bizarre." Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/126/story/16204...r#ixzz0XjSNKpW5 |
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