Imo, genes has an important role on this.
But mental attitude can help.
Ive been thinking,and maybe this has been discussed on here before possibly? If so,My apologies...We all have a certain number in our minds when we think of our deaths,70,80,90? We also have been taught by the powers that be and evolving and science etc,That we can only live till lets say 75 ok?
What if we could all live to lets say 200,Or 250,500 years old? What if weve been programmed to believe that we HAVE to die by a certain age of oh lets stick with 75?..So IF we could un-learn this,Could we actually live to be 300,400,or even 1000 years old? I know our science minded friends on here will say its completely impossible,But they have been taught the same way we have been so,Think outside of what weve learned and lets see what we come up with? Imagine being alive when Paul Revere road that horse that historical night? Then watching the Space Shuttle launch?
My point? Do you think,In a way we die at these typical ages (75ish) because were programmed or "taught" thats when we should die? Or do you think we would live much MUCH longer if we werent aware of these typical numbers..Im interested in what you have to say about this?//Example: On my Mom's side,I had a great Aunt that lived till 106 years old with little or NO illness? She lived in the boonies by herself after her husband died,She Lived a simple life...Thanks!!!
Its easy to paint someone in a bad light when handed a tainted brush,Sooooo Keep your trap shut!!!
Imo, genes has an important role on this.
But mental attitude can help.
Below is a link to a good article on why humans die when they do (which is not really known)
Your body wasn’t built to last: a lesson from human mortality rates « Gravity and Levity
But it is written from a scientific perspective (in that you actually study something to learn about it), so you might not like it.
Great post Drummer and i totally agree our mind or state of mind can affect your lifetime,quality of life,success and much more.I have always been of the opinion that the best of us is never seen but is buried along with body.The mind is our strongest asset but we rarely use it to it's full potential.i have seen many examples of for lack of a better phrase mind over matter.I had a neighbor once who was in a very bad car accident.He was supposed to die in a matter of hours, the doctors didn't set his broken bones as they didn't think he would make it, so they just made him comfortable.He was in the hospital for a year,when he got out he told he told me,"Those stupid mfer's told me i was gonna die and did i want a priest.I told them i am not gonna die i got a lot of living i got to do".He told me he had no plans on checking he didn't care what these dumb asses were saying.the day he was released from the hospital he called a Pontiac dealer and said i will buy a new trans am if you deliver it today at the hospital and fill the trunk up with ice and beer and they did.I asked him David didn't being in the hospital make you reflect about how close to death you were.He told me death never crossed his mind,all he thought about was the partys he was missing.he came through with nothing but a limp.i believe it was his postive mind that got him through.
Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes.
Wow Drummer, excellent point to ponder!
this is some true stuff here. im believing im not gunna die till im 1000, we will see if you right, (hopefully i get that far)
when my oldest daughter was 21, she got ovarian cancer. when they discovered that that's what it was, the surgeon told me she had a 20 percent chance of living for five more years
i had to go with her to the surgeons office to discuss the surgery the next day. he told her that the chances of her ever having children were probably nil and that she could very likely not make the surgery either, she was that advanced.
naturally, we all prayed, did everything we could--a miracle happened, he got all the cancer, and NO chemo was ever necessary. the surgeon--who up until that time had been rather dry(but i guess a lot of good doctors are like that)said he had never seen anything like it, it was miraculous.
much later, when i was with her in her hospital room, i said, oh honey, it was a miracle! you could have died! she looked at me rather strangely, then and said what are you talking about? i said, well you were there when the doctor told you that you could die, and she said 'he never said that, mom'; and i realized, that SHE DIDN'T HEAR IT--therefore, it was impossible. i truly believe, to this day, that her belief that well, of course i will still live somehow actually contained the cancer, i know it sounds wild, but i was there, and many that day were as amazed as me and the doctor.
now on the flip side you have people, who, for instance, if you talk about say earth changes, they will say 'well, i believe in them, but they won't happen in my lifetime'; that is probably because they are correct, they will die before anything happens(i recently had two friends pass who used to say this). or people who say 'i'll die here' meaning their house, farm whatever--sure as shit, they will die there. ever hear of the book 'stranger in a strange land'? excellent read, basically talking about a human who is raised by martians who is able use like 95 percent of his brain. he was able to control his body in unbelievable, yet, in my mind, attainable ways. i have no doubt that we can achieve at least a little more than using 5 or 10 or whatever it is we use and abuse of our so-called heads
now here is something interesting i saw in an old thread and i believe i buy it. it was talking about the human body and how we can manipulate our own. well, it said, look when someone is sleeping, oftentimes they appear much younger than when they are awake; so why couldn't we manifest ourselves being younger feeling, and in better health? it says in the Bible that folks lived a long time; personally, i think that we are moving into that possibility of a long, yet rejuvenated life
by the way, great thread drummer
We die from corruption; choices...
The great nations of the Earth have all but one intelligent species, humans. We are from the Animalia kingdom. Animals, unlike us are second to largest in organisms and they die as well as us. We have such a gift that we are intelligent but the majority of some cities and countries choose to not take full advantage of their brains and decide to take drugs and alcohol making their life span very short indeed. Another reason why people die so earlier than their suppose to is due to their life style and eat habits. MSG has had a lot of research that it may increase the probability of you obtaining cancer. Food is a major role because it's a daily activity to eat for nutrients and the government makes clones out of meat(don't ask for source, Google it); a genetic error may cause us to become sick from these clones and eventually be fought off by our immune system or die. Bacteria surrounds us every day and we may end up touching a very nasty bacterium as well. It's not a choice for "most" of us to dodge the super market containing food and the chemicals that are in there. Back then they had more organic foods in the market than in the present time and scientist have actually made crops produce it's own pesticide for bugs to not spoil the crops. Anyways there are many causes of death and age is a major one as well so my opinion drummer is when it comes to age it doesn't matter to me, I have a religious point of view for that.
"There can only be certainty."-Death
I have read a number of investigations over the years as to why the Gompertz Law should be.
Free radicals, background radiation damage, genetetics etc, but it seems that nobody has come up with anything that is a single answer.
I think a lot of clues are found in each species seems to have their own life spans.
And genetics control species.
We don't have machines that last forever either.
You could make a machine last forever, if you wanted to keep repairing them.
But they get obsolete, newer ones do more than the old ones.
They get bulky, newer ones are sleeker and more useful.
Humans are biological machines that self repair, within limits.
But they don't have planned obsolescence, or do they?
We are not the same model as earlier versions.
And people are generally bigger than earlier models, even though the genetics are pretty much unchanged in the last 100 years.
So there is an obsolescense in genetics do change over long periods of time.
We do recieve cumulative damage that our repair mechanisms don't cope with well, scars, nervous system and joint damage.
So it would appear there are no single, aha this is it, answer.
But all species are designed to work within specific environments.
If we were designed with open ended life spans, we would go extinct.
Reproduction would fall, because there just wouldn't be much room for kids.
Consider if everyone who died of old age were still around?
And with eproduction rates too low, they couldn't gear up quickly enough to replace those lost from war, accident, and catastrophe.
I think our life spans are a summation of factors, all environmental.
And the reproductive doesn't turn off and on with demand.
So the best evolutionary strategy to avoid extinction is planned obsolescence.
Planned obsolescence solves a lot of problems.
Big events that kill large numbers have less impact.
Those models were not going to live but so long anyway.
Evolution can cope with environmental changes.
Racial differences emerge for specific environments.
We don't find Eskimos in the tropics.
And the brain can be upgraded with newer generations.
We are learning more about genetics.
We might even learn enough to live forever by modifying our genes.
But should we?
I think intelligence is a survival strategy evolution came up with.
Most animals die from harsh environmental events.
Our nests have climate control, running water, waste disposal, and storm resistance because we developed engineering using intelligence.
I think if we tried to live forever, we would risk ultimate extinction.
We would lower the drive to reproduce and that would be the risk.
Life would be less interesting if new talents did not emerge from the young.
Natures evolution has done with life the same thing we do with our machines.
Planned obsolescence to make room for new models.
And it keeps the drive in place to continuously produce new models.
I have more fear of continuing on with increasing pain and disability than I do of death.
For 10 years doctors told me the pain and increasing disability I was living with was a mental condition.
The injuries that started it off had healed, and nothing was wrong with me.
Workmans comp claim denied.
When the pain got so bad it was get something done about it or blow my brains out, I went to a hospital and refused to leave.
For 6 hours the docs kept telling me there was no insurance to cover the medical tests, and I would have to leave.
I just said OK and stayed.
Finally they did an MRI, I think to get rid of me by showing me there was nothing to see.
When the label of mental gets in your medical records, thats what doctors see.
They were very much alarmed at what they found.
10 years of a degenerative injury had done a lot of damage.
The very first thing the surgen said to me was, "well your not crazy"
9 hours of surgury stopped the slow paralysis and saved my life.
The pain lowered to manageble, but that was a new baseline from which it still grows.
I think this experiance has given me a unique perspective about death.
I no longer see living forever as desirable or even wise.
So nature in her wisdom created the first use of the planned obsolescence model that we use for our automobiles.
I think defeating that with genetic engineering is to risk extinction.
I have always tried to learn and change my beliefs with discovery.
It is an ongoing process, and a lot harder than it sounds.
We seldom change our belief of faiths, even when presented with overwhelming evidence.
I see improving the quality of life as having way more value than extending it.
The goal of living forever is the ultimate in self defeat.
Whatever works, use it.
A good idea stands on its own value independent of authorship.
If it stands or falls on the credibility of the author, maybe it isn't such a good idea.
We will eventually create an enhenced and improved human through manipulated and gene splicing. Maybe one day 1000 or 2000 years will be a normal life span. Instant healing, natural resistance to the most deadly viruses and bacteria, heightened vision, hearing, touch, smell & taste. Smaller muscle cells that pack more energy and longer duration. Able to see in total darkness. Able to regenerate lost limbs and organs. Greatly enhenced average intelligence. Naturally telepathic...etc. etc. I see all these things coming...eventually sometime in our future.
I would mind living the duration of a whole millenium. Beyond that....I think by that time I would be willing to move on and part with the old body...
In search of the real truth.