Dreams and Reality

**Crazee** · 09-29-2011, 09:00 AM

Dreams and Reality

I was sitting in my philosophy class a few days ago. I just started college was pretty sleepy since I'd had back to back classes starting at 8 that morning and hadn't eaten since breakfast (about 5 hours ago). My roommates are also the type where getting to bed at 2:00am is early. Although I missed a large part of what was being discussed in the lecture since I was nodding in and out of sleep, I was able to follow the general discussion that was being held. I tried to contribute when I was a bit more awake, but the professor didn't call on me (likely because he'd seen me drifting in and out of sleep earlier).

Ironically, the discussion was about dreams, and whether or not we can know if our entire existence in the physical world is only that… a dream. You'd think I was participating very well by being half asleep lol.

So, I'm sitting in class. The students and professor were throwing around a lot of phrases like "how do we know this is real?" and "what if none of this is really happening?" "All could be just a dream" etc. You've probably heard this before.

I'm writing this to say why I think that thinking about it that way is illogical.

First off: How do we define reality?
I would say that reality is what our consciousness perceives. We have perceptions when awake, and perceptions when dreaming.

Currently, we face a conundrum when thinking about reality due to how we think about dreams. Basically, the majority of society (or at least, the society I know) would say that the experiences we have while asleep do not actually happen. They are, so to speak, just our imagination, and not worth lending credence to as a real experience.

So now we see the paradox that arises. Since we've labeled a part of our life's experience "not real", a part of our experience that feels completely real in the moment, we have reason to think anything could be, fake, not real, fantasy, etc. This has troubled philosophers and non-philosophers alike ever since it was first thought of.

But, in my humble opinion, this problem of reality is easily solvable. Dreams are real, and the material world is real. One does not detract meaning from the other. If we choose to disregard one of them as fantasy and impossible, then we must do the same for the other. But if we say that both are real, then we can get back to our lives and stop worrying about life being pointless.

I'm very curious to hear other people's thoughts on this issue, whether you agree with me or not.

**KellyD** · 09-29-2011, 09:03 AM

you should check out this movie called "what the bleep do we know".....it deals with this subject.......i believe that our current reality is only an illusion that we cant get out of because we havent thought of it yet........i look forward to the future to see if we ever get any better at using our brains.......right now we seem to only use them to argue with each other.

**OpenMindedSecrets** · 09-29-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by KellyD

you should check out this movie called "what the bleep do we know".....it deals with this subject.......i believe that our current reality is only an illusion that we cant get out of because we havent thought of it yet........i look forward to the future to see if we ever get any better at using our brains.......right now we seem to only use them to argue with each other.

i agree 100% with you..

But how is that class i am a web/graphic design major but i was thinking about switching into it

**Crazee** · 09-29-2011, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by KellyD

you should check out this movie called "what the bleep do we know".....it deals with this subject.......i believe that our current reality is only an illusion that we cant get out of because we havent thought of it yet........i look forward to the future to see if we ever get any better at using our brains.......right now we seem to only use them to argue with each other.

But this is what I'm trying to disprove. It's not that the similarities between the dream world and physical reality are both an illusion, it's that they are both real in different ways.

Originally Posted by OpenMindedSecrets

...how is that class i am a web/graphic design major but i was thinking about switching into it

Well, it's interesting. I've heard from just about anyone that ever took a college level philosophy course that it is an engaging class, to say the least. It depends on your professor and I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it to you considering the huge differences in how the class would be taught.

**sagewillow** · 09-29-2011, 04:59 PM

I think we live in a multiverse. I think our "dreaming" mind is able to sense and interact with other demensions. I am sure that some part of sleep is used for rebooting and rest but I think as a multiverse being we must be able to be in touch with other planes or we begin to suffer severe problems physically and mentally. I believe the reason we are not affected by gravity as much as we should by is because we are operating on several demensions at once.

For some reason, we have forgotten this. I think the ancients understood it and were able to manipulate gravity in ways that made it possible to build those marvelous structures, communicate over vast distances and have faster than thought travel.

I've no way to prove this or back it up but there's my opinion. Ta Dar!

**Perfection** · 09-29-2011, 05:04 PM

Startlingly I realized when the beings repeatedly came through from other dimensions that the earth is only a subtle energy world to them and factually a dream world that from their point of view is not as real as we believe it is. They have taken me to countless parallel worlds and explained that they use that light energy people think of as God to instantly create universes.

In a dream we may think we are in reality but after we wake up we may see the dream as a symbolic experience or a lesson. I've been noticing that my entire life on earth has been nothing more than a symbolic experience or lesson as well and I know that sooner or later I will leave this world and look back on it as nothing more than a dream my soul had.

**Kryptik** · 09-29-2011, 05:04 PM

I think it is all to do with the pineal gland and D.M.T we secrete dmt when we sleep and thats why we dream to get in touch with the multiverse

**Crazee** · 09-29-2011, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Perfection

In a dream we may think we are in reality but after we wake up we may see the dream as a symbolic experience or a lesson. I've been noticing that my entire life on earth has been nothing more than a symbolic experience or lesson as well and I know that sooner or later I will leave this world and look back on it as nothing more than a dream my soul had.

And that is just one of MANY parallels that can be drawn between our dream life and our waking life.

Our dimension is a reflection of higher ones. Here, our greatest pursuit is that of Knowledge. I think that in next lives we will continue to do that: Learn, except on a more cosmic and multidimensional level.

**OpenMindedSecrets** · 09-29-2011, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Perfection

In a dream we may think we are in reality but after we wake up we may see the dream as a symbolic experience or a lesson. I've been noticing that my entire life on earth has been nothing more than a symbolic experience or lesson as well and I know that sooner or later I will leave this world and look back on it as nothing more than a dream my soul had.

Life changing quote ha.. seriously never thought about that until today when i pmd you.. now that i read this i will start to notice stuff that i never did before i am going to try and understand my dreams.