Contactees-- put up or shut up!

**abducteec** · 04-13-2011, 10:41 AM

Whilst i have had my experiences, i dont consider myself a contactee, everything that has happened to me has been against my will, and i have had no control over it, nor have i ever been in a position where i am able to say `hey can i get my camera be right back`, nor do i really consider these entities my friends that i can call upon at a blink of an eye.

Yet the billy meiers, alex colliers, nancy lieder, blossom goodchild, mary rodwell, and all the many many contactees who claim to have benevolant contact on a frequent basis, and all have these `teachings of love and light` for us all, you would think have it the complete other way round.

What i cant understand it why they cant show us a clear photo or video of an alien in the craft or something, and yep they will find an excuse such as `we are not ready yet` or `it didnt process on the picture as it wasnt in the right dimension!

Im sorry im just not buying that anymore, if they really are having their experiences, they need to turn round and be firm with these `benevolant beings` who visit them, and say `look if you want your teachings to get out, youll have to do more than show orbs, or appear to just me, i want to take just one video of you in your craft, or speaking, something that can not be denied, not a `sample of scrap metal` or `fly your craft at some weird angle, because that is not good enough, if you arent going to make any effort to give me undisputable evidence to the people that you are real, i am not going to bother giving your message out`

Thats what these contactees, if they really are having these experiences should do. I know you will say `yes its all very easy but put yourselves in their shoes`. And my answer is i can put myself in their shoes, easily! i have been abducted, and been around beings where i had no choice, no free will, barely an opportunity to talk to them, and definatly not a time where i could negotiate with them, ask things of them or ask them to pose for a picture.
However it should be the complete opisite with these contactees whom according to them, are in constant friendly contact with these beings who speak to them for hours about themselves, show them their crafts and planets allegedly, you telling me these contactees cant muster up the courage and politely say, `i am going to need some undisputable video/photo evidence if you want your message to be heard`!?
When you think about it, its really not that big a thing to ask! And should be essential if they really had a message to get out!

Whats the excuse.. we arent ready yet? then why appear to a farmer in the middle of nowhere! i mean these entities have been observing humanity for long enough and should be completly aware of the skepticism and the `ill see it when i believe it` mentality implanted in most peoples brains and base their actions accordingly.

This is why when michael horn (billy meiers spokesman) goes on and on about how billy meier has all this undisputable evidence, the photos, the sound samples (the fake dino and alien pictures etc), it makes me laugh, because instead of his videos showing these weird models making manouvers which can be reproduced easily using basic camera work, why not do something which would be the mother of all proof!
No, not landing on the whitehouse lawn, because yes i know theyll say we arent ready, but something as much as speaking into the camera, showing themselves or show their xray gun firing, i dont know- just SOMETHING,

It would take 30 seconds to do that, and bingo! everything sorted, and billy meier would literally be the modern day respected mesenger of aliens/god whatever. but instead we are stuck with the fake pictures and a load of i dont know what to make of pictures..I mean why the hell cant he in all his hundreds of contacts take just one.. just ONE picture of them. ill tell you why, they dont exist plain and simple.
Ill proove it. billy meier has thousands of books, his version of the bible, and his pleadian teachings for mankind.. now if they really had these teachings esential for mankind, they would want all of mankind to know about it, not 1 or 2, and they would be well aware that they would have to do something, anything just to proove their existence, but the best they can give billy is weird flight manouvers in his videos? give me a break

So the proof of their existence is blurry videos from the 70s, known fake dinosaur pictures and alien models from a tv show, and based on this we are supposed to change our lives and follow the pleadian teachings? give me a break.
This isnt just about billy meier, its about all these other contactees, who cant give us that one solid video or appearance, just to back up their teachings of love and light!

Gosh this is sounding more a rant than anything, but do you understand my frustration? Its not like they are being hypnotised, or frozen with fear or having memory taken away, like an abductee, i mean if these contactees really are contactees, they would have so many opportunities to take a picture or video, just one thats all.. simple! and really, there is no excuse at all for it!

These alex colliers, mary rodwell, nancy lieder, billy meier etc etc all claim to have had many decades of this, which would mean many many opportunities to take the picture.
Anyway i dont want to repeat myself, but do you understand why although alex is a very nice person, and he is spot on with a lot of his stuff.. i find him meeting an andromedan called phaseus for over 30 years in person, and not one photo or video of it, just too much to take in!

Extraterrestrials know human nature, and they know damn well that the bulk of humanity will need to see something to know its the truth, which is why i have a very firm belief that these beings of `love and light`, are NOT beings of love and light!

Id love to hear your thoughts, i will go over this and anywhere ive ranted too much ill crop out, but this is important, because there really is no excuse for all these lifelong multiple time contactees with benevolant ets, not to have just one picture or clear video of them

**Achilles** · 04-13-2011, 10:49 AM

Know one can say definitively that you didn't see this or this is not true. People have seen ufo and aliens and they cannot prove it, that does not automatically mean it is not true.

Imo ETs the spiritual life forms choose to interact with people and only that, they are not here to prove their existence to anyone, many believe they are hear to help and only that.

There are many dark forces here on Earth imo, yes i agree it is human instinct to need/want proof but sometimes i feel that would only hinder certain areas. Don't get me wrong i would love a picture or any definitive proof but i believe it will come from an unlikely source(Our corrupt governments). And we won't get proof for sometime.

Edit: If these FBI files are legit then i guess the future in ufology looks positive.

**abducteec** · 04-13-2011, 10:53 AM

Hey achillees, im not coming at it from a `show us proof ufos ets exist` view, i know they exist, im refering to the people who give their speeches and publish their books and cds with the `teachings` of the loving spacebrothers

**Achilles** · 04-13-2011, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by abducteec

Hey achillees, im not coming at it from a `show us proof ufos ets exist` view, i know they exist, im refering to the people who give their speeches and publish their books and cds with the `teachings` of the loving spacebrothers

Yeah sorry if it sounded like i was on about the whole case of believers, you do bring up a great point.

These people like Collier,Steven reed ect they have all profited from their experiences, now that automatically looks like they have ulterior motive.

it is perceived that their main goal is money orientated. Now i look it as this, if i had a an actual et experience, the first thing i would want to do is tell people, now if i could make money out of this would I ? Would you or any other person on this planet ?

I think the reason these people make money off of their story is because they can.

I know it damages their credibility but it also is a chance to make money.

The claims these people make is word for word exactly the same as other people in the field, did these people from all four corners of the earth plot a well structed story dating back to the 60s to present day. Ranging from ex astronauts/Religious/Historians/Abductees/ufologists/Scientists ect, ect........

I don't think so.

**altria** · 04-13-2011, 06:58 PM

Abducteec IMO it's nothing wrong with people making money on their stories.If it's someone who is doing a con job then that's wrong and they should be punished.Some who is being truthful i hope they make all the money they can to support their lifestyle in order for them to have the freedom to write and lecture.The big problem is there is not a lot of money in books Cd's and the lecture circuit.Take the Camelot Project they have one backer and if not for his generosity they would have went under long ago.They have tried to raise money but it's not working out as well as they need it too.They have a good idea,they make no claims or endorse anyone.All they do is give a platform to whistle blowers /controversial people.They have a high visibility and a large following.They should be generating substantial revenues,but they don't.I have a family member who is a top selling author, she writes children's books you know the ones you see with the thick covers and are only a few pages long.The ones for 3 to 5 year olds. well thats what she writes and her best year she made $20,000 now some years she may make $1,000 to $5,000.She is the top selling author for her publisher.Her husband is a plumber and if not for him they would starve to death.So it's just not a lot of money to be made in this field.

**julia52** · 04-13-2011, 07:10 PM

ah, but money is not always the driving, factor, is it altria?

for some, the fifteen minutes of fame is everything--it can feed them forever

however, i got a proposition for ya abductec-instead of asking the contactees for photos, why not just give em a message to take back to the visitors? i mean it should be simple enough

tell them we're pissed and are not gonna take it anymore--and that all experimentation must stop immediately--or suffer the consequences

seriously, email or whatever mr. meier, and collier, and whoever else--see what happens

**August** · 04-13-2011, 07:29 PM

I publish nothing nor seek publicity about what happened to me and my girlfriend a few years back.... I never want to experience anything like that again.. whether it be from Aliens or Demons . I am not sure where these people get the idea that Aliens and Abductions are a 'good' thing ?..... my experience was neither pleasant nor spiritually uplifting in any form. Just be careful of people sprouting all this bull from their new found alien buddies.

**stepspractice** · 04-13-2011, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by abducteec

Hey achillees, im not coming at it from a `show us proof ufos ets exist` view, i know they exist, im refering to the people who give their speeches and publish their books and cds with the `teachings` of the loving spacebrothers

Yes, I agree. There is a trend with people who have been abducted - sometimes they start out resisting but end up becoming a supporter of the alien agenda. I don't think this is by accident. The aliens have tremendous ability and influence in the mental environment - they have the ability to influence our thoughts. I am an abductee and have experienced this first hand. They can somehow influence us to actually feel love, etc. for them, to influence us to bond with the hybrid "children" that they want us to accept as "family." They use and manipulate our DNA and our feelings to their advantage.

I also think its pretty hard for some abductees to resist becoming a "celebrity contactee." Its much harder to resist, stay objective and maintain personal freedom and be called "fear-based" by those who have sadly been manipulated to think its all "love"... but I wouldn't have it any other way.

The ETs presence in our world might be able to manipulate my genetic material but they will not manipulate my mind or spirit.

**AH1-whiskey** · 04-13-2011, 07:34 PM

there are a few serious people that ain't out to make a buck.

although my position is more to the scientific side. i do consider the possibility that such an event could happen however unlikely it may be.

and even if a physical abduction is a long shot there are other possible explanations that are just as far out as a meeting with space beings.

so i don't count those out either.

**stepspractice** · 04-13-2011, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by augustus

I publish nothing nor seek publicity about what happened to me and my girlfriend a few years back.... I never want to experience anything like that again.. whether it be from Aliens or Demons . I am not sure where these people get the idea that Aliens and Abductions are a 'good' thing ?..... my experience was neither pleasant nor spiritually uplifting in any form. Just be careful of people sprouting all this bull from their new found alien buddies.

Even those who now call themselves "contactees" once had unpleasant and downright frightening experiences. But they were influenced to deny this reality. These poor people are subjected to tremendous mind manipulation to give in. The ideas, images and feelings the aliens promote can get pretty confusing. Our very spiritual yearnings are manipulated and used to control us.

As a lifelong abductee, I have been subjected to this mind/emotion/spiritual manipulation. There was a period of time when the "galactic brotherhood" seemed attractive. I read and listened to much of this "star seed" material. I almost "drank the kool-aid" so-to-speak. But there was something that just didn't sit right with me. Something greater and stronger kept me out.

During a really difficult transition there were times I really thought I was crazy and I had a hard time figuring out what was real and what wasn't - who to trust, who not to trust. It took great strength and a daily spiritual practice designed specifically to combat manipulative extraterrestrial influences to gain my freedom. There were significant negative influences by ETs to deter me from seeing the truth behind the manipulation. But, I have gained much clarity and objectivity through this process. For me, this spiritual practice saved my life and gave me my freedom.

This freedom was very hard won, it is work to maintain it, but so well worth it. There is a power within us that, in the Universe, is the greatest power there is. It is our one true strength against techologically advance but spiritually stunted ETs.