Thread: The Falkland Islands...

Originally Posted by bart5050

They needed a political pride issue, and had probobly convinced themselves that England would just let it slide.

Back in '82 Argentina's tin pot General was no match for our Iron Lady

I think two British companies started drilling for oil late 2011.
I guess if the UK gave in, a precedent would be set and other countries would move on remaining bits of UK territory.

Originally Posted by Joe the Waiter

Back in '82 Argentina's tin pot General was no match for our Iron Lady

There was an interesting physics lesson during the Falklands war.
There had been an emphesis on lighter faster ships over the slow heavy ones with thick armor.

Don't remember the ships name, going on memory so I hope I get all this right.
But one of the UK lighter faster ships had an aluminum hull and superstructure.
It got a missile hit and cought fire, burning down to the waterline and sinking.

Anything, even steel, will burn if it gets hot enough.
But, aluminum doesn't have to get as hot as steel does to burn like wood.

Originally Posted by AD1184

I hope that is true. However, I fear that if Argentina did choose to invade the Falkland Islands again, there would be very little we could do about it, given how this government has utterly decimated the Royal Navy. I doubt any of our supposed allies would come to back us up. I expect Obama would not wish to get involved, as he seems to despise Britain and is seeking to ingratiate himself with the leaders of the Mercosur grouping of countries in South America. America has issued no statement of support of Britain in the matter, but the US State Departmant has urged our government to hold "negotiations" with Argentina on the issue--effectively an endorsement of the Argentinian position, because as far as we are concerned the matter is settled: the islands are British, and their inhabitants wish to remain British, thus there is nothing to discuss, except handing them over against the Islanders' wishes.

If you are a glutton for punishment, you might like to read this BBC article:

BBC News - Argentine media on Falklands row

I am especially amused by Argentinian media commentators calling our stance "arrogant" (the very definition of chutzpah) and speaking as if we initiated the recent escalation of the dispute:



I have no love for David Cameron. However, his recent remarks on the Falklands have been a response to grumblings from Argentina, and not the other way around. If this is the level of discourse in the Argentinian press, then the nation seems extremely backward indeed.

So someone said from the government on Question Time two weeks back there are plans in place if such a attack did happen again and apparently we can win such a War again.

You might find America and France would get involved. France have a vested interest in the Falkland islands and indeed helped us during the last War. I think if I remember correctly France get a share of the oil and/or natural resources coming from the islands. There was also a oil deal going through with America for £1bn so I have no doubts that America and France would protect their interests if Argentina "tried again".

US firm's £1bn for Falklands oil | The Sun |News|Sun City

Would have been smarter for Argentina to negotiate an oil deal.
They are closer to them than anybody, and should be able to offer better deals and closer ports for support operations.
But, I guess they were thinking, why pay for what you can take?
And put some feathers in your cap on the home front for taking it.

They never grew out of their Conquistador roots?
Its a new world, succesful plunderers now wear suits and use banks.

The same Sean Penn who embraces Hugo Chavez...

To me he's a pathetic excuse for a man and flaps his trap one too many times about things he knows nothing about...

Must do what Sean Penn tells us to do...haha

Just kidding. I've only recently read about the Falklands war and what actually went on there. When I was in college, it was happening but my group paid little attention to it. All I ever knew was somebody rose up against the Brits and got slammed. Go Brits! haha

It's amazing how scatter brained we were in our younger years.

As far as Sean Penn goes, I'd love for him to go ahead and renounce his citizenship and find another place to hang out. He needs to be disowned.

Originally Posted by AD1184

I hope that is true. However, I fear that if Argentina did choose to invade the Falkland Islands again, there would be very little we could do about it, given how this government has utterly decimated the Royal Navy. I doubt any of our supposed allies would come to back us up. I expect Obama would not wish to get involved, as he seems to despise Britain and is seeking to ingratiate himself with the leaders of the Mercosur grouping of countries in South America. America has issued no statement of support of Britain in the matter, but the US State Departmant has urged our government to hold "negotiations" with Argentina on the issue--effectively an endorsement of the Argentinian position, because as far as we are concerned the matter is settled: the islands are British, and their inhabitants wish to remain British, thus there is nothing to discuss, except handing them over against the Islanders' wishes.

If you are a glutton for punishment, you might like to read this BBC article:

BBC News - Argentine media on Falklands row

I am especially amused by Argentinian media commentators calling our stance "arrogant" (the very definition of chutzpah) and speaking as if we initiated the recent escalation of the dispute:



I have no love for David Cameron. However, his recent remarks on the Falklands have been a response to grumblings from Argentina, and not the other way around. If this is the level of discourse in the Argentinian press, then the nation seems extremely backward indeed.

Originally Posted by Joe the Waiter

I don't think Argentina has the will or the military capability to mount another illegal invasion
of the Falklands. Our military presence on the islands is far better prepared than last time and while our
military technology has improved, Argentinas has remained pretty stagnant. I agree with Bart - this is
all just bluff and smokescreening.

Originally Posted by bart5050

The Falklands would not be a big asset to Argentina if they did possess them.
But they have their own problems with inflation/depression etc, and the gov their needs a cause for their people to support them politically.
This one gets people focused on national pride instead of economics.
Thats all it really is, a political smokescreen.

In other words BS.

One thing that we know Argentina can't fight against which they found out to their cost the last time around is our Nuclear Subs. But that aside what has been said it's just bravado to hide their internal trouble, they have no case as the Islanders have a right to self determination, and they choose to remain British, which the UN and other nation have to respect and uphold so any Western Country that is telling or asking the UK to open dialogue with Argentina are a bunch of bloody hypocrites, and can take a long walk of a short cliff as far as I'm concerned...

Originally Posted by ChrisIB

I think two British companies started drilling for oil late 2011.
I guess if the UK gave in, a precedent would be set and other countries would move on remaining bits of UK territory.

Oil was found near the Falklands and could be a major reason for Argentina reasserting their claims. With the longest sustained prescence in the Falklands, along with existing demographics and government, Britain has every right to claim that territory.