Do the blind really see after death?

**SC Russ** · 09-08-2006, 01:41 PM

I was watching an old episode of 'Sightings' and found it so interesting that I thought you might like to see what it said.

Carla Wohl, correspondent, interviewed 2 persons, who have been blind since birth, about their near death experience. They claimed they experienced seeing for the first time and are now no longer afraid of death, even looking forward to it!

Carla also interviewed Kenneth Ring, Author and NDE Researcher and his assistant Sharon Cooper about their study of NDE experiences of the blind. They have, no doubt concluded their study by now and have published the information, which anyone who is truly interested, can probably locate.

Kenneth Ring: "For years I've heard rumors that the blind can actually see during NDE's. It was the attempt to see if there was any validity to these rumors that led me to do this particular study. It's a paradox that people who have no concept or even history of vision can actually report being able to see but it's that particular paradox that we want to be able to understand."

Sharon Cooper: "The NDE seems to be an authentic experience happening to millions of people and the common theme (restored wholeness) seems repeated regardless of the physical disability of the individual."

Kenneth Ring: "I think it offers a great deal of hope for the rest of us because we're all limited in various ways, we're all handicapped. The implications of our findings on NDE's and the blind is that whatever limitations and handicaps we suffer from here may be removed there. I think we can all take a measure of hope from that."

I have seen many interviews of people who described their NDE. Aside from the elements contained within the experience itself they all seem to share 3 things as a result of it: 1. They say the experience felt more real than anything they have experienced in their life. 2. They go on to create for themselves a positively motivated and profoundly changed life. 3. They feel no fear of death. These three effects are not typically found in those persons who have had an artificially-induced experience, like the thousands of test pilots who have passed out during their centrifuge training.

The true test of whether or not you believe in this can be found by examining your own life to see if you are following the written advice: 'Live this life as if you believed in the next!'

***SOUL-DRIFTER*** · 09-09-2006, 11:15 AM

Of coarse they would see.
It's only the physical eyes that are blind.
The eyes of your soul, is your mind.

**Samurai** · 09-14-2006, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by SOUL-DRIFTER;276020
[b]Of coarse they would see.
It's only the physical eyes that are blind.
The eyes of your soul, is your mind.

Well put drifter - nothing more to be said.

**Faeden** · 09-14-2006, 11:08 AM

I agree with Soul-Drifter.

Think of it this way, someone who was born being able to see, and then at say the age of 30 was blinded, or even lost there eyes. They wouldn’t be able to see the physical world, but they still dream, and still see what is in there dream, yet they have no physical eyes. The mind/spirits eye is an indestructible eye.

**reallynobody** · 09-14-2006, 12:18 PM

Interesting isnt it.

**Graeme Revell** · 09-14-2006, 03:58 PM

I would love to see an experiment conducted where a blind man has an OBE and can describe his surroundings and even what he looks like very well. To me, this would be the nail in the coffin in proving the different types of consciousness.

**ThePredator** · 09-14-2006, 06:07 PM

Unless its a neurological blindness the receptors are still there and if certain substances (like DMT which is the main theory for NDEs) cause impulses on those receptors it will be the same as if their eyes weren't damaged.

***SOUL-DRIFTER*** · 09-14-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Graeme Revell;278030
[b]I would love to see an experiment conducted where a blind man has an OBE and can describe his surroundings and even what he looks like very well. To me, this would be the nail in the coffin in proving the different types of consciousness.

It seems to me ther have been testamonies by a few blind people that had a NDE during a operation.
They described the people and all events that were in the room at the time, to the shock of the doctors of coarse.
I would have to check on this, but I believe one individual was blind since birth.

**Faeden** · 09-14-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by SOUL-DRIFTER;278113
[b]It seems to me ther have been testamonies by a few blind people that had a NDE during a operation.
They described the people and all events that were in the room at the time, to the shock of the doctors of coarse.
I would have to check on this, but I believe one individual was blind since birth.

Yep I have seen these too, I saw both the Dr’s and the patients talking about them, its pretty impressive.

This doesn’t have anything to do with a blind person, but its similar in topic.

I once saw a documentary where a women was brought into the emergency room after having a huge head on collision, she was barely alive, and unconscious when the ambulance brought her in. The Dr’s and Surgeons had to perform live saving operations on her. While in the operating theatre the women arrested on the table, her heart stopped and for a short time her brain also ceased, and 0 electrical activity was happening in her brain, she was technically dead, I cant remember the exact amount of time her brain was inactive, but it was around 60 or so seconds, now everything was written down and documented, times and the women’s responses, now while her brain was inactive and her heart had stopped, the surgeons desperately tried to get the women’s heart going again and to get oxygen into her ect, now while doing this the Dr’s where swearing at each other and saying other things to each other by first names. Now eventually they got her heart beating again and saved her life, she remained critical for about a week or so, and slowly started to come around as the days went by, when she got well enough to sit up she told her family of an experience she had while she was out, she said she remembered vividly being out side of her body in the operating theatre, not looking down from the corner of the room like is so often reported, but pretty much standing there watching her lying on the bed, and the Dr’s running about trying to operate on her, she described the conversations they had, and the first names of the Dr’s that worked on her, at first the Dr’s being Dr’s just said well she could have still had some kind of audio going on subconsciously, but what stunned and silenced the Dr’s the most was when she repeated word for word names and bad language and exactly what they had been saying when she arrested when her brain had technically died and was not functioning at all, she even gave graphic details about the words on the side of one of the life saving machines, and how it broke in the middle of working on her.

Now for the non spiritual scientific explanation of the experiencing a light and feeling like your floating being dew to electricity in the brain, the brain has to be working, the women’s brain was completely dead at the time she experiences what she did. The Dr’s never admitted 100% that he now believed in the soul and the afterlife, but he said its made him open minded, and now doesn’t disbelieve in it, although he has no explanation as to how it could have happened.