Thread: The Divinity of Christ

If that's the case, who was Jesus doubting and praying to at Gethsemane?

Originally posted by whipnet
[b]If that's the case, who was Jesus doubting and praying to at Gethsemane?

Exactly...

Originally posted by kellyb
[b]Modern Christianity maintains that not only was Jesus the Son of God, and the prophesied Messiah, but that he also was God.
Can anyone show where Jesus himself claimed to be God?

At no time did Jesus claim to be God, he did say he was the son of god and that he was the messiah, and he was sent to bring light into the world, he also said all men where the sons of god.

The idea he was God came much later as a focus for people to worship, a focus the early church took great pleasure in exploiting.

Jesus was a man who had great insight, he had the power to heal, and the ability to rid a person of sin and demons, he had power over matter (the ability to walk on water).

Early followers of Christ didn't really understand the message he was trying to put across (even his apostles had difficulty), and man being the way he is put his own interpretation on his teachings, eventually seing him as God in place of the real God Jesus tried to teach us about.

Finally! Some common sense in regard to the real Jesus. Yes, he was a extraordinary person! His claim of 'son of God' was only meant to show the people that we were all sons and daughters of God...as he said 'these are my brothers and sisters'. In no way did he claim divinity. In fact, I would think that he would have thought that to be blasphemous...at least to claim any more divinity than any other man or woman.

Personally, I draw more encouragement from the idea that a simple but wise man was able to overcome the hatred so prevalent in the world then and now then I draw from the idea that a god incarnate with special powers and unfathomable wisdom was able to overcome the world. The first gives hope that we simple people can as well while the second demands that we become as perfect as a god which is shrouded in mystery and in possession of all mighty powers...a feat not possible for simple humans. Which gives more hope to humankind?

Originally posted by iwant2believe2
[b]Finally! Some common sense in regard to the real Jesus. Yes, he was a extraordinary person! His claim of 'son of God' was only meant to show the people that we were all sons and daughters of God...as he said 'these are my brothers and sisters'. In no way did he claim divinity. In fact, I would think that he would have thought that to be blasphemous...at least to claim any more divinity than any other man or woman.

Personally, I draw more encouragement from the idea that a simple but wise man was able to overcome the hatred so prevalent in the world then and now then I draw from the idea that a god incarnate with special powers and unfathomable wisdom was able to overcome the world. The first gives hope that we simple people can as well while the second demands that we become as perfect as a god which is shrouded in mystery and in possession of all mighty powers...a feat not possible for simple humans. Which gives more hope to humankind?

I agree with everything you've just said. I often wonder what history would have been like if early christians had taken to the idea of christ's humanity instead.

Originally posted by Supreme Acolyte
[b]I agree with everything you've just said. I often wonder what history would have been like if early christians had taken to the idea of christ's humanity instead.

I think at the time early christians where more interested in divine intervention other than humanity, a sort of mania had gripped the world, the Romans tried to live like gods and when Rome fell apart the church took on the role, even today the church thinks it is closer to god than the ordinary man in the street.

Jesus tried to make us let go of the teachings of moses and move into a new plain of thought, sadly the old ways of thinking held the early christians back and we live with the rules today, even to the extent we pray to god to destroy our enemies, instead of asking him to change our enemies ways.

I wrote in an earlier thread...the true meaning of christs message was lost the day he died on the cross, and I believe it holds true here as well

Originally posted by whipnet
[b]If that's the case, who was Jesus doubting and praying to at Gethsemane?

Jesus lived a perfect life. That means he had a relationship with his creator through prayer. I don't believe Jesus was God on earth, as he was a human. When he died and then rose, and then went back to the right side of God, I believe he is God to some extent. I believe in the trinity. So there is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Hmmm..so Jesus, you say, is now God "to some extent"?
What, exactly, does that mean?
So there are 3 Christian Gods?
A Jehovah God, and two lesser Gods, the Jesus God and the Spirit God?
And the 3 work together as one God team? Like the American Government has an executive branch, a judicial branch, and congress?

C'mon Kelly...you know it means Father, Son and Spirit...btw isnt it sweet how all aspect of the female was removed from the trinity? Woman, know your place!