Thread: questions for people of faith re extraterrestrials

I know people say always seeing is not real. Well I beg to differ on this. If my eyes see something then its real to me. Our govt. has always known they are here and visiting and they plan to do nothing. They won't even admit they exist. We as individuals have to have our own truth.

[QUOTE=whitecrayon;9777817]dear alien-ufo web forum readers

a) do you believe any lifeforms intelligent enough to travel light-years between stars enjoy moral agency?

I think they are just as myriad as we are as a species - maybe even more so as they may be from more than one world or demension

b) do you believe all or some aliens might be demons and/or angels, given that, for example, some of them at least are purported by the many thousands of abductees to communicate telepathically?

I do think that our ancestors believed them to be - who's to say their accounts were not completely accurate? The universe is vast - but life seems not to be so I feel that all lifeforms in the universe are connected in some way.

c) do you believe earth's governments ought to prepare to defend humanity here from any sort of extraterrestrial attacks, such as canadian former minister of defence paul hellyer alluded to in his speech at the university of toronto (as per the quotes posted by me earlier in this thread, near the opening pages)?

I think this is already happening. I also think it's possible that thre are treaties and trade among them - although what form that takes, I have no idea and shutter to think about it.

d) do you believe alien abduction of humans might be morally wrong? why (given the way humans on earth treat the less powerful species of our planet)?

I believe any abuse of a species is morally wrong. However, that depends on who's the abuser and the abusee. I'm sure cows and chickens would rather us not raise them to be slaughtered but we see them as soulless creatures with no merit other than to nourish us and do our bidding. Who's to say this is not the way we are viewed by another species from outside our influence?

e) do you believe aliens know anything at all about human religions, and specifically about christs' miracles and teachings? if you do believe they know something of christ, do you believe they are christians, or that they adhere to some other offworld belief system?

I belive they know abou it and had ALOT to do with it. I would not go so far as to call them Chistians but it would not be wrong to call them Abrahamists...but from the opposite side of the spectrum...meaning, they may have had a great deal to do with our "miracles" in the first place.

f) do you believe humans on earth ought to treat aliens with the same or some different moral respect we treat either the nonhuman animals of our planet or each other?

All life is to be respected, regardless of origin. However, if they are hostile and threaten our existence, all bets are off.

g) do you believe aliens would be unethical (or even immoral) if they introduced their ideas and their technologies into earth's ecosystem, given that such introductions might disrupt the delicate balance of human ecology on earth?

If you mean by this that their methods of returning the earth to her pristine state required our removal then "No"...that is not an option. We are a new, learning species with very little experience. We deserve the right to find our way without being summarily destroyed.

h) do you believe aliens who travel here would necessarily (or just possibly) have more advanced ethics and/or morality than we humans do here on earth?

I would like to think that a species advanced enough to have conquered faster than light travel would have a solid moral compass but there are no guarntees. Intellegence and kindness are not necessarily in coexistence.

i) do you believe theologians ought to examine the hard evidence, such as the photographs and video evidence of alien spaceships visiting earth, along with all of the credible books, etc out there, and then make some official pronouncement from the vatican about all or some aliens at this time? why or why not?

They should and they do. However, in the examinations, I am certain they realize that to publically admit this would be tatamount to the destruction of their empires/dogma. You can't have it both ways and maintain power.

j) finally, have you looked at any video or photographic evidence of alien visitation to earth, and/or have you read any of the credible books out there concerning the subject?

I have read numerous books over the years...some more credible than others. Everything I read, I take with a grain of salt. Nothing is the absolute truth and nothing is completely false...the devil lies in the details. Even the most radical texts may offer a nugget of useful information. The trick is to never take anything as the Gospel...ironically, including the Gospels.

Originally Posted by whitecrayon

dear alien-ufo web forum readers

a) do you believe any lifeforms intelligent enough to travel light-years between stars enjoy moral agency?

Yes, but they might be something different than you think.

b) do you believe all or some aliens might be demons and/or angels, given that, for example, some of them at least are purported by the many thousands of abductees to communicate telepathically?

I would argue that all of them, that aren't military or secret government experiments, are demonic. Many non-Christian researchers like John A Keel and Vallee also conclude that the beings are ultra-dimensional rather than interstellar. They have always been here, they just repackage themselves occasionally.

c) do you believe earth's governments ought to prepare to defend humanity here from any sort of extraterrestrial attacks, such as canadian former minister of defence paul hellyer alluded to in his speech at the university of toronto (as per the quotes posted by me earlier in this thread, near the opening pages)?

Google the Collin's Elite. I do not believe there is an organized effort to defend against an alien invasion, but there has been military efforts to investigate what is going on and the military concluded, quietly, behind the scenes, that aliens are demonic and their increased presence is most likely a sign of the closeness of the final battle

d) do you believe alien abduction of humans might be morally wrong? why (given the way humans on earth treat the less powerful species of our planet)?

If these beings are superior to us, they would not fly 100's of light years to sexual molest, torture, kill, and generally mess with a lesser sentient species. And if they regard us as cattle, then we have a fight on our hands, no?

e) do you believe aliens know anything at all about human religions, and specifically about christs' miracles and teachings? if you do believe they know something of christ, do you believe they are christians, or that they adhere to some other offworld belief system?

One thing that is pretty consistent with "aliens" is that they like to give all sorts of competing messages to the gospel. Manly it is new age type stuff, about how they are here to keep man from destroying himself and to assist in our evolution. This is contrary to the message of Jesus, that said we are a fallen race and that we must put our faith in Jesus, that he died for our sins and that if we believe God looks at us with Jesus's righteousness rather than our own. Some of the "aliens" might through some christianese terms out there to confuse people, some of them even claim to be Jesus or responsible for Jesus, but it is the same old deceptions used by the enemy since Jesus came.

f) do you believe humans on earth ought to treat aliens with the same or some different moral respect we treat either the nonhuman animals of our planet or each other?

If aliens really were interstellar travelers, absolutely.

g) do you believe aliens would be unethical (or even immoral) if they introduced their ideas and their technologies into earth's ecosystem, given that such introductions might disrupt the delicate balance of human ecology on earth?

Yes, as their agenda would be our destruction. Currently a lot of rumors about abduction and cross breading with "aliens" are floating around. There might be some truth to this. If demonic entities can create bodies to inhabit, they can exist in our plane for extended periods of time. They might be offering governments tech for the right to abduct people and do genetic experiments. This is all bad. Read Genesis 6. It says Noah was found pure. The underlying Hebrew term is more along the lines of genetically pure. Our demonic enemies might be once again going about contaminating the human blood line. All bad


h) do you believe aliens who travel here would necessarily (or just possibly) have more advanced ethics and/or morality than we humans do here on earth?

Possibly, but it isn't a given. And again, what we are facing is not something that flew here. It has always been here.

i) do you believe theologians ought to examine the hard evidence, such as the photographs and video evidence of alien spaceships visiting earth, along with all of the credible books, etc out there, and then make some official pronouncement from the vatican about all or some aliens at this time? why or why not?

Beyond the above comments that indicate I believe this is all a demonic psyop, there is more. With the occult, the more you peer at it, the more it can peer back at you. Right now the alien meme is being sown into our culture all over the place. Toys, commercials, movies, songs, everywhere. It makes people curious. It makes people want to believe in aliens. And people by wanting, might on some level be inviting, these beings to have more and more ability to enter into the human realm and affect us. The military had the right idea. Deny everything.

j) finally, have you looked at any video or photographic evidence of alien visitation to earth, and/or have you read any of the credible books out there concerning the subject?

Operation Trojan Horse
Mothman Prophecies
Alien Intrusion
Behold a Pale Horse
Hyneck UFO Report
A few Jaques Vallee books
+ numerous other UFO/new age/occult books that touch on UFO's

thanks for replying
whitecrayon

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I'm a Deist/agnostic, so...

a. Interstellar civilizations can enjoy moral agency. I think they are neither angelic nor demonic, but they are just like us. They are mortal, biological (or mechanical/cyborg) entities.

b. Some individual aliens might be angelic or saintly in temperament, and some may be psychopathic, but they definitely are mortal beings like we are. No extraterrestrial species is literally demonic and not one alien being is literally a "devil in disguise." Angels and extraterrestrials are completely different from each other as well, so no extraterrestrial species is literally "angelic", either.
Satan and demons do not exist as literal, actual beings. The Satan/Devil archetype is only a psychosocial/religious construct and does not exist as an actual entity.

c. Yes. We should be prepared for alien invasions, but there are practically no reasons why aliens should WANT to invade Earth. Read Phil Plait's blog, and he gives you good reasons why aliens wouldn't need to invade Earth.

d. It may be morally wrong to us humans, but perhaps not to others. Maybe we are like ants to them.

e. IF they've been here, then they would know. But our religions may not matter either way to them.

f. Yes, we should treat them with the respect that we'd treat each other. All intelligent, sentient beings should be treated with respect.

g. Maybe, maybe not. They might have a code of noninterference.

h. Yes, definitely. Aliens can definitely be more advanced ethically, morally, and spiritually than we are. We are a Type 0 primitive civilization who still fights amongst ourselves.

i. Why should they? Theologians don't really know whether God exists or not, but they still follow teachings from some centuries old text.

j. Some of the books are credible. Though Jacobs and Hopkins are not.

It is all a deception...

World renowned prophet Linda Newkirk has received an important prophetic warning that a great deception will take place. The skies will indeed become filled with UFO’s and when this happens on a world wide scale it be will be promoted as a ‘Rapture of the Faithful’ by many televangilists and preachers. Do not be deceived! Millions are going to be abducted and murdered!

Visit Linda’s website PropheciesOrg for more important info. and additional warnings about the Tribulation and the rise of the Antichrist.

July 13, 2011

FROM THE MOUNTAIN PROPHECIES

Book Twelve, Chapter Seventy-Eight

Third Message from Our Saviour

“The Skies the World Over Will Erupt With UFOs”

My Blessed Child, I am your Father Yahweh, yea Jehovah, Most High God. Listen carefully to My words to you this morning; for you come and you ask Me about an event in the skies the world over, which shall surely come to pass.

Hear Me in this, My Blessed Child, and write what I say, that My people may be the wiser. I say to you, oh My people, “All eyes upon Me. All eyes upon Me. All eyes upon Me!” For, any and all, who take their eyes off Me, for even a moment, in these most perilous of times, may very well be deceived and carried into the enemy’s camp.

Do you think to outsmart Satan? Do you not know that he has been the deceiver, even from the beginning? He is master of deception and very fine at it; and he has, at his disposal, great resources and great armies, which you, as a people, are ignorant of. And, his armies are far greater than you can imagine, even one third of the stars of heaven, who were cast down with him. Yet, these are not all, but in his army are cleverly disguised robotic elements, and robotic humans, as well as great numbers of his own children, who are also human.

Then, he also has at his disposal billions of humans all over the world, who have fallen to his wicked and deceptive ways, who do his bidding and are not even aware that they do his bidding. They kill at command. They steal at command. They lie at command and all under cover of government and official business. His chain of command is very great and you, oh My people, are grossly ignorant of him and his vast armies and means to both deceive you, and to destroy you.

Yet, many of you think to fight these battles. For, even as some few of you know and understand, you fight not against flesh, when you fight Satan and his many non-human hoards, but you fight against powers and principalities of great darkness, who are not human, and were never human, but fell from the Upper Realms. They aligned themselves with Satan/Lucifer to fight against the Light, for they wished to overtake the Light. They rebelled and fell, in pride and arrogance, and are thereby filled with every evil and perverted thing; and they wish to destroy all light on this planet and /or to consume it for themselves, that they might still rise up and overtake you, who bear My light. So, they war against those of you, who bear My light.

None of you true ones escape their watchful eyes and as I have said to you, these vast armies have been cast down, but in My mercy and for the love of My Elect, I bound them in a secret place, until there would come the right time, the time of My own choosing, to release them. So, billions, many billions of them are bound up in this secret place, but at the time of My own choosing, I shall release them and they shall come forth, many, many billions of them; and they shall fill the skies the world over. They shall come at a terrible time in the earth and at a time when many feel hopeless and in despair, at a time when many think that they will escape such terrible times.

Through vast mind control techniques, they will gain control over the minds of many! The curious and the spiritually weak listen and many of them will obey the commands and they will willingly go and enter into these ships. And, many, who believe what is called the “early-out rapture” will believe that these ships are of Me; for their thinking is twisted and they will fall for the great mind control, which will come at them from many directions.

Many televangelists will be used, and preachers will be used, as mind controlled stooges at the hands of Satan and these very evil creatures; and these preachers, and even certain prophets, will trumpet the arrival of Jesus for His people.

Great lies, storms of lies, will beat down on the people; and such lies will seduce the weak, as great numbers, even millions upon millions of people the world over, will agree to enter into these ships.

Oh, the woes! Oh, the great woes! Oh the fright! Oh, the pain! Oh, the suffering! Oh, the sorrows! For, many of you will be killed straight away! You will be served up to these evil hoards as one great feast, and they will feast on upon your flesh and upon your blood. For, they are not at all human, but you will see many, who are part bird and part reptile; and these are the Dragos. They will eat you alive, pecking and clawing at you and delighting in your fear as they gobble your flesh and drink your blood; for it is your life force that they wish to consume. It is your light, that they wish to devour.

But, some of you, who enter into these ships, which will fill the skies, will be saved for greater horrors. For, they will invade your bodies and will take over your bodies and will use your bodies to further deceive great numbers of people. For, their ways are not your ways. They were once of high standing in the Upper Realms, but they fell! Nevertheless, they are not without certain supernatural powers. And, you will not understand their powers; but when you later see some that you have seen and known to go into these ships, appear again before your very eyes, you will delight to see once again your friends and family, only to be consumed and devoured alive, by the Drago, who has taken the body.

Therefore, when you see those, who go up into these ships, consider them gone and do not trust your eyes regarding them again.

These Dragos will use these snatched bodies to take over many key positions in government, in armies, in important trades, and in important services.

Therefore, My warnings to you to come out of the world, will be more important than ever! For, in your day to day activities, you will encounter them, yet you will most certainly be deceived by them, that is, all but some very, very few of you.

And, this deception will be to your own undoing; for I warn you now that this is coming. This is going to happen, an alien invasion/false rapture; and this will be the reward for so many, who have loved a lie and who have spread the lie, that I would come for you before you have to suffer in the earth. Have I not told you that you would be tried in the fires and tested as gold and silver, yet many of you want the easy way and you will not hear the truths, but would rather believe the lies.

Now, the great liar is among you and he is not at all stupid. He is crafty, very crafty; and he watches you and analyzes you, when you have no clue that he is even in your midst. For, Satan, that old Dragon, has been cast down, even as My servant, Linda Newkirk, has written.

There came a war in Heaven in the late Winter and Spring of 2006, just as my servant, Linda Newkirk, has told you in the writings of Revelation Twelve, and Satan was cast down. Along with him were cast down many billions of Dragos, but I commanded Archangel Michael and others of My archangels to fight and to subdue them and to round them up and to hide them in a secret place. For, it was not time for them to come forth and to take their place in Satan’s army in the earth. But, I tell you now, that there shall come a time, when I will set free these vast information of Dragos and few of you will be the wiser.

Hear Me, oh you nations, who sleep and slumber. Satan is given his time in the earth and his kingdom is in place. By the day, you can see his great evils, and they escalate in the earth, yet so many of you prefer deception. You will not see the truths of what is, of what has been, and of what is to come.

The time of the great sifting is at hand and many souls will be sifted into the fires (of hell). Also, at this time, many will make the most terrible decision to take the mark of the beast; and these souls will be destroyed. Yes, indeed, a great sifting is at hand.

Beware, oh you, who sleep in the midst of such evil; for in your ignorance, you will be carried away.

For, you will most certainly now either seek Me with your whole heart and you will walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, or you will be in the camp of Satan. For, it is either one, or the other.

Make your way straight, oh My people. Keep your eyes fixed on Me. Consider Me in all things, lest you be deceived and carried away and end up in the fires! For, since there was a nation, there have never been times as severe, as what you are now entering into.

Make copies of this message and distribute far and wide, that the blind may see and understand what is upon the whole world.

My Little One, My words, which you just heard in the spirit, when translated mean, “Stay away from the Dragon,” and I have allowed you to hear these words, even in My own language, a language that you do not know; for these words are for all nations, but especially for My people in China and the Orient. “STAY AWAY FROM THE DRAGON!”

And, with these words, I say unto you and unto all of My people. The light of My Kingdom is in the earth and it shines to every humble and obedient heart. Receive My light, oh My people and be filled; for this light is My pure love to you. And, when you see all of these things come to pass, then know that My finger tip is about to touch you, oh My Faithful Bride.

I am your Father Yahweh, yea Jehovah, Most High God.

As witnessed, dictated and recorded this 13th day of July, 2011,

Linda Newkirk

k) I do believe, in my opinion, whatever or whoever was trying to brainwash you back in November... succeed.
Upon your return you do not seem to be the same whitecrayon.

Comment Response for First Post

Originally Posted by whitecrayon

dear alien-ufo web forum readers

thanks for replying
whitecrayon

a) That depends on the aliens. With earth specifically, the aliens that are involved in the transmorphification process, have the highest moral standard, that is the one orchestrated by Christ, which is applied in measure against the translation process, as a species humanity knows the degree of morality orchestrated by Christ, thats not to say there are lower degrees for others, but that 1 degree, that is absolution could be orchestrated differently.

b) The current state of humanity, in this development stage. For the most part has inclined our experiences with foreign entities to represent devils, or individuals with distasteful moral standards, or philosophical decrees, that hurt humanity. That is because it represents a force that is opposite of this universe, and that is the judgment that is designed to produce a cosmologial race, based on the standard of moral absolution. (humanity is a spiritual being, and the relationships between consciousnesses take place on a level that is not typlically defined by the 5 or 6 senses, as humanity is able to percieve them).

c) The answer is NO. The identification with the "transmorphification" process, in terms of what humanity is allowed to do is simple, if you are left standing, then if you do not want to die, then you should migrate. And again if you do not want to die it should be your intention too cooperate with humanity, with humility and complicance.

d) Alien Abductions demonstrate a part of the process that is the most important part of the process. The individuals who were abducted, myself included, were apart of this relationship of education, for the final and most important part of the process that is the RAPTURE.

e) I believe the aliens know of the relationship of this "universe" that is this special relationship of energy and consciousness in this pocket of space. I believe the aliens know the intimate details of the judgement, because they are a functional part of the final end of the process. I believe that belief is based on many factors, and its best described in relation to truth, if the truth of reality, if the truth of civilization, and if the truth of "raison d'etre" (the nature of what it means to be) changes, than belief will change, and therefore it is overrated.

f) I believe morality can be as superficial as belief can be, but I also believe it is much more fundamental, that is love others as you love yourself. Which is to say, being destruction isn't profitable, unless there is a war etc.

g) In this earth, that kind of relationship is unprofitable and counterproductive, however. In the new earth, that kind of relationship is by necessity, and a basis for the survival of man, at least in the most trying hour of survival, and that is during adaptation to the environment of the new earth.

h) Much of behavior elements are contigent on circumstantial elements, and what isn't subjected to circumstantial factors, can be compared from 1 civilization to another. That is all intelligent beings being equal, how does interaction towards given sets of goals weigh on individual freedoms, etc. The answer is it depends, the earth can be a very advanced ethical place, and then it can be ethically bankrupt.

i) 1. There is no "evidence", and 2. Large segments of the population cannot inherit the "new earth" and for any kind of religious positioning or even political, it means actions will ultimately result in attacks against humanity unnecessarily. The judgement is not defined by humanity, but by faith for humanity, and so faith will make the first action accordingly, and not man. That is the law of NEWLIFE for man.

j) Belief is its own substantiation, and therefore I am an authority, and at this moment I suggest you take the time to read the thread titled "god is a ufo" in this forum and in this very section, while it is available to you.

And Thanks Again for Taking the time to ask a Question