Would you agree most advanced and educated nations created spread around the world life stales ,wchich put in jeopardy entire world.Is word free doesn't mean making choices wchich doesn't affect others in negeative way,aren't we acting in totalitary way under a slogan of freedom.?

g69....first welcome to the forum.....I am having trouble understanding your english..and therefore your point...(I understand it may not be your first language)....but in my opinion the climate changes are natural occurances....as global warming episodes like this have happened quite a few times in the past.

Climate changes over long period of time happenning on its own,but our materialistic way of life created so much destruction changes in very short period of time.I ask another words,wouldn't we suppoustu give up our "comfort of live" if we know how badly affect this Earth and rethinkg this what we are doing,I learn from Laws of Nature if you go along with Nature and Her Laws yoy good,but seems to me we against Her ,another words values wchich we created and follow them are the fake one,real one never will kill you.It's diffrence between art and crap ,art with time is better and better,fake values are gone faster or later and affect you in some point very negative way.In myopinion we are responsible for huge destuction of Earth,because we running for centuries for crap.

g69....let me see if I understand you correctly....because humans refuse to change our lifestyle we are going against the laws of nature?.....and therefore adding to the current period of warming that has occurred over the last 8 to 10,000 years.

If we could prove beyond any doubt that the comfort life was the major reason behind global warming; people wouldn't give it up...
Instead, a lot of scientists and designers would attempt to work out a solution in which comfort and climate control could both be achieved.
Natures patterns play a lot in the climate; the hardest thing to calculate is what exactly we are doing by living.

In a way, it is impossible for us to defy the laws of nature as it was nature that brought our species into existence.
Also, it is a human concept that there even is a law of nature, humans are imperfect, so, that will cause our laws to be imperfect.


This post has been edited by Xeno: Mar 17 2008, 09:56 AM

This correct,but last century is just a disaster.We blaming goverments ,but we forgotten who voted for them.We putting all responsibilities for goverments actions,but we do not see our own everyday choices wchich are directly affecting everything less or more.People think if they changed goverments ,problem will be gone ,they want to build the house from the roof down,I think we have to begin change on the bottom and this will change future goverments.I was construction worker for years ,and you won't belive me probably,we always started to build the from fundations up.and this was working pretty good,but in case of Earth everyone trying miracles build a house from down ,maybe this is a reson why never really worked out.

g69....I believe you....here in the US we construct buildings from the groundup.......but controlling and/or helping the environment is similar to renovating a 120 year old building which was damaged severly 40 to 50 years ago

I know it,reason for it is our average perception of this what is good and bad,the way to changed is make them understand if does choices wchich goes against Nature ,you hurting your own kids,yourself ,your family.I think in today world is enough people wchich capable to understand it,if they get it in they own way this will affect they future choices,small choices are buiding a big one and you think you a lot small wrong one ,you have a small chance to does big right .What I am saying is importnant to understand everything is affecting everything with any next bad choice you putting everyone in troubles,is wrong with mistakes but knowing and do not trying to change it is a diffrent story,and is not amiracle no one goes to bad and wake up in the morning someone completly else ,but he change it with time by putting attention to small choices and each more choice affects this or another way everyting else.Universe is all time going evolution,and I think we can do it even if doesn't look like it today to many of us,we do not belive because everything what we see around us seems stand against it,that's doesn't mean is impossible.up to us really.Our spiritual advance is behind our technological advance,with power of destruction wchich we have today we have to change in order to survive(we haven't change our perceptions of word too much from times when we used swords ,and our industries were capable to affect Earth in very small degree).For today picture doesn't looks good but notice is improving in many places and thre years ago I changed my mind and I said is possible,we making it impossible by saying so,first think is to say is possible and begin belived ,look inside ourself and correct our choices,with better choices you made you begin to recognize better and if you go along with nature walls give you a hand,Iam saying is possible but doesn't mean we will make it,exist in Universe Natural selection,with each better choice we increasing our chances.If byuing better food and drink you giving either a more power to people wchich created something good for you.we created world in wchich package is too importnant,we must find ways to determine values of products behind the package,real values.Our eyes took over other senses wchich we have,so our recognition of real values is very low right now,but change it one steo at the time.Peace

Problem is in this building is no only roof leaking,are huge cracks in fundations,old wood beams,termaits really you must remodel entire building,structural part is in danger any bigger wind or earthquake and building can fall down.If fundaetions are good and structure is good you can winstand a big natural disaster,but what is a chance to survive if you fix only a roof.You can apply this to people if anyone have good fundation and structure is capable winstand a lot .Any peiece is importnant to create really strong building,but is many ways to get to purpose

One more thing very importnant is time and resources wchich we spending for remodeling,if do not spend enough time and do not invest enough in structure in critical condition you are have much more chances for disaster,if you think we have 50 years to fix major structural problems ,is better to find new house in good shape but our todays technology makes it impossible,so another words we must put much more attention,time ,resources to fix a structure or we will became homless ,today means death (all of us).Yesterday I read in yahoo news about scientist changing thei predictions dramatically about mealting arctic ice cover.Just in 2004 a few scientist predicted this will happen in about 2040 ,after last few years they change their preditions for 2012,2013.Means for me we have real emergency state for entire Earth,and we must stop playing games,we won't understand on our own Nature will help to understand,doesn't exist bigger power ,better law in our Universe,who we are that we go against it,seems to me we are not alone in this Universe and Aliens(Iwould say one's wchich are on much higher level than we)trying to make us understand we have only chance to survive if will live according to Laws of Universe(probably their went thru their own painful experience and their not perfect but much closer to reality)Who are this powers wchich we created against the Nature,who are they ,someone thing is more importnant,I would say be carefull what you wish for,is giving us enormous amount of chances but everything has bothers and better if we won't cross them,I stay with strongest,most advanced,smartes one,Imade my choice ,I am sorry tooks me so long ,you know this people around running they mouths ,tooks time to get sober and understand what is real value of this to what they praying,what is worth biggest earthy religion,money church.

g69.....I'm sorry....but I really have no idea what you are trying to say....

read few times ,try to use a your brain and slowly you will get it if you really wants.Makes your brain working better ,when you get everything ready is no good for you.

I having troubles to understand what people are doing with knowledge wchich they have,seems out of logic to me,trust is much harder to understand this than my massages

g69....I did read this post several times....it has nothing to do with using my brain or not....with all due respects it has to do with your horrible english.

g69.....my knowledge and understanding of science leads me to believe that the current warming trend is naturally occurring with perhaps a little help from human activities.

I do not trust many people....but as I said before with all due respects truting is easier to understand than your english.

With all due respect trust this has alot to do with how your brain is working.Trust I know alot about people and how we are working,I am trying to improve you any puzzle are good for you.Peace And you have more place for interpretation try to fit your own words in place of this wchich doesn't understand,Harder to understand last for longer .

With all due respect trust this has alot to do with how your brain is working.Trust I know alot about people and how we are working,I am trying to improve you any puzzle are good for you.Peace And you have more place for interpretation try to fit your own words in place of this wchich doesn't understand,Harder to understand last for longer .I am trying to make capable to use your brain independently,you be able to determine on your own what is good or bad,You hard to imagine for maybe how easy is manipulate people by money,drugs,sex ,mass media today.If you became free of it you will became watching world diffrent and it's very hard to manipulate you no matter how many and how hard they trying.Peace.Kind of the road to real freedom

g69.....my brain works just fine and I do not need your help improving it. I know there are alot of things that need improving in how we treat the environment and help reduce the suffering of people in underpriviliged countries. I can't do anything directly for them.....I just work on cleaning up the environment in the northeast and helping the less priviliged children.

As I said before, its your english that I have trouble understanding....not concepts I think you are trying to discuss.